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In this issue:
Re: Personal immunity and absorption
Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
Two Questions For the Brits
Re: Personal immunity and absorption
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: "Homing" / ATTN: Digital Hero authors
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: Personal immunity and absorption
Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
Re: Personal immunity and absorption
Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
Re: Personal immunity and absorption
Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
Re: Y2k bug (from predictions)
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: Two Questions For the Brits
Re: Two Questions For the Brits
Re: Personal immunity and absorption
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: Two Questions For the Brits
Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
Re: Personal immunity and absorption
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: Two Questions For the Brits
Re: Personal immunity and absorption
Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts (Manson=Gothic)
Manson, the POST-goth icon
Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
Re: Personal immunity and absorption
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:09:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony Jackson <ajackson@molly.iii.com>
Subject: Re: Personal immunity and absorption
Stainless Steel Rat writes:
> JT> I think it violates the basic precepts behind Absorption.
>
> I originally thought that way. After sitting on it for a day or so I am
> not so sure.
>
> You see, Absorption provides no defenses whatsoever. By the book, if you
> want to simulate Absorption that provides defense, you buy sufficient
> defense to cover what you can absorb. It is not a requirement that you
> take damage in order to absorb an incoming attack. The fact that a
> character is immune (for whatever definition of "immune" you care to use)
> to an attack has no relevance.
On a related point, how does absorbtion interact with missile deflection and/or
block? That's an effect which _should_ be possible, but may not actually be
possible (it appears that it reduces the damage of the attack to 0, which would
make absorbtion irrelevant).
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:38:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com>
Subject: Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Nic Neidenbach wrote:
> >Acouple of possibilities just came to me:
> >1) A teenager who can change forms to a superhero who's totally embarassing
> >to him: "Aw, gee, I hate it when I have to change into _______! Can't we
> >just let the bank robbers go?" (What's really embarassing to a teenager?
> >besides parents)
>
> How about a character where the superhero ID was the opposite gender from
> the normal?
Geee... I wonder who *that* could be?
Michael Surbrook / susano@otd.com
http://www.otd.com/~susano/index.html
"'Cause I'm the god of destruction, that's why!" - Susano Orbatos,Orion
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 19:49:36 -0600
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net>
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
At 04:20 PM 1/5/1999 -0800, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>At 06:15 PM 1/5/99 -0500, thomas deja wrote:
>>SUPERWORLD came out with a supplement featuring a group of teen heroes,
>>and had guidelines on how to build them. Damned if I remember the name
>>of that supplement, though.
>
> "Bad Medicine for Dr. Drugs." Wonderful if you like cheesy humor in the
>early-eighties animated super-friends vein, horrible if you don't.
Was that the one with characters named Sunshine Superman, Mellow Yellow,
and so forth? I cannot imagine why, but I've been trying to remember for
*weeks* now where I'd seen those characters before.
Damon
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 20:23:46 -0600
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net>
Subject: Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
At 07:49 AM 1/5/1999 -0800, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>At 10:26 AM 1/5/99 EST, Leah L Watts wrote:
>>IIRC, modern cars are designed to absorb some of the impact. You can see
>>this in car races on TV -- the car gets trashed, but the driver walks
>>away because most of the kinetic energy was absorbed by the car.
>
> Part of this, of course, is being strapped in. If a race car driver
>didn't have his restraints on, a crash would leave him good for nothing but
>the sausage factory.
Well, Leah is referring to "crumple zones" which are a feature of 80's and
90's passenger vehicles, but not 60's and early 70's passenger vehicles (I
don't know what year they were first incorporated into car design).
Car bodies are less hard and rigid than they were in past decades; the
impact absorption provided by the more recent design provides protection
entirely unrelated to seat belts.
OTOH, I didn't think race cars were built that way, and in any case it's
true that a crumple zone is an aid to a seat belt, not a replacement for
one. :|
Damon
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 17:34:32 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Two Questions For the Brits
I have a couple of questions for the British (especially English)
members of this list. Each relates to a different character I have created
or am in the process of creating.
First, according to my copy of Webster's Third New International
Dictionary, a Cockney is defined as (among other things) "someone born
within the range of sound of the bells of Bow Church, London." Is this
church currently active in that office? More specifically, would it be
inappropriate to have a character who was actually born *in* the church
itself?
Second, while I have your attention, those of you Brits who have Web
access and a way to play WAV files: I'd appreciate it if you'd give a
listen to the quotes I've recorded for the Squirrel King on my website. I
would like your assurance that my English accent there is appropriately
wretched (yes, I was trying to do a *bad* job of it, intentionally).
- ---
Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/merrhome.htm
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Date: 05 Jan 1999 22:59:15 -0500
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>
Subject: Re: Personal immunity and absorption
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AJ> deflection and/or block?
By the book, defenses apply after Absorption is applied against the
incoming attack. I see no technical reason why Block or Missile Reflection
cannot be used in the same capacity as other defenses. The style of
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 20:03:49 -0800
From: Mark Lemming <icepirat@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote:
>
> At 04:20 PM 1/5/1999 -0800, Bob Greenwade wrote:
> >At 06:15 PM 1/5/99 -0500, thomas deja wrote:
> >>SUPERWORLD came out with a supplement featuring a group of teen heroes,
> >>and had guidelines on how to build them. Damned if I remember the name
> >>of that supplement, though.
> >
> > "Bad Medicine for Dr. Drugs." Wonderful if you like cheesy humor in the
> >early-eighties animated super-friends vein, horrible if you don't.
>
> Was that the one with characters named Sunshine Superman, Mellow Yellow,
> and so forth? I cannot imagine why, but I've been trying to remember for
> *weeks* now where I'd seen those characters before.
You mean besides being Donavan song titles?
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:11:32 -0500 (EST)
From: tdj723@webtv.net (thomas deja)
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
>From: griffin@txdirect.net (Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin)
>>Was that the one with characters named
>> Sunshine Superman, Mellow Yellow, and so
>> forth? I cannot imagine why, but I've been
>> trying to remember for *weeks* now where
>> I'd seen those characters before.
Actually, those characters appeared at the tail end of Grant Morrison's
run of ANIMAL MAN. the characters in this supplement, if I remember
correctly, had names like Overdrive (a texas kid in a wheelchair with
superspeed).....
"It's almost Dante's Inferno, except the beer was cheaper in Hell, and
the damned were smarter than this crowd."
--Evan Dorkin, DORK #2
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 20:07:20 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
At 11:22 AM 1/6/99 +1100, Hamish Laws wrote:
>At 12:12 PM 1/1/99 -0800, Wayne Shaw wrote:
>>>
>>>On a slightly related tangent, using the Abrams tank from HSA II as an
>>>example. How do you achieve the classic brick-trick of bending the main
>>>turret gun barrel up to render the gun useless? Do you have to do more body
>>>than the DEF of the Tank as a whole? Or could you allow it to be handled
via
>>>a STR roll?
>>
>>Tank Guns can be argued as OAFs on a vehicle, and therefor outside the
>>vehicle's defenses per se.
>
>Hardly, a tank gun is hardly an OAF.
>Maybe you could give it a -1/4 limitation only partly defended but it does
>take a fair amount of force to rip/ben a tank gun off. Considerably more
>force than would be needed to rip someone's arm off. Do we give that an OAF?
Many a book has failed to be published because the author was forever
saying, "But it's not ready yet!" Arguably I should've done that with TUV.
But then, you'd never get to see it at all.
The thing's in the process of being laid out even now (at least, I
really, really hope so), but this conversation has brought up a couple of
things that really weren't adequately discussed in the book, if at all, and
they should have been. This is one of them.
Actually, it's for that reason that, shortly after the book is
published, I'll be maintaining a page of addenda, archives, errata, and Q&A
on TUV. This will probably be one thing I'll include in the addenda section.
Oh, and as for an answer to the question: a Vehicular Focus that is
Obvious and not easily removed (like an Inaccessible Focus) but doesn't get
the Vehicle's DEF (like an Accessible Focus) gets a total Limitation of
- -1-1/4 (including the extra -1/2 for being on a Vehicle).
- ---
Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/merrhome.htm
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:24:35 EST
From: Firelynx16@aol.com
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
In a message dated 1/5/99 1:07:16 PM Central Standard Time,
ghoyle1@airmail.net writes:
> Anybody got any good names/concepts for some teen superheroes?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Guy
How about Goth Girl (or Grrl)--typical goth Manson wannabe with white face,
black hair/eyes/lipstick, dresses in all black, tons o piercings/tatoos,
etc... except she actually is a vampire, or some other creature of the occult.
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:51:50 -0800
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net>
Subject: Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
At 04:59 PM 1/5/99 -0800, you wrote:
>At 04:27 PM 1/5/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>Acouple of possibilities just came to me:
>>1) A teenager who can change forms to a superhero who's totally embarassing
>>to him: "Aw, gee, I hate it when I have to change into _______! Can't we
>>just let the bank robbers go?" (What's really embarassing to a teenager?
>>besides parents)
>>
>
>
>How about a character where the superhero ID was the opposite gender from
>the normal?
Sort of, but if its a teen age boy he'd spend all day in his room as the
female form...
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 23:37:26 -0600
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net>
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
At 08:03 PM 1/5/1999 -0800, Mark Lemming wrote:
>> > "Bad Medicine for Dr. Drugs." Wonderful if you like cheesy humor in
the
>> >early-eighties animated super-friends vein, horrible if you don't.
>>
>> Was that the one with characters named Sunshine Superman, Mellow Yellow,
>> and so forth? I cannot imagine why, but I've been trying to remember for
>> *weeks* now where I'd seen those characters before.
>
>You mean besides being Donavan song titles?
Yes, besides that. I recognized the source of the names as soon as I saw
them, of course (though by now it's been so long I can't recall all the
names...I don't think they were all based on Donovan songs).
Somehow the concept of drug-induced powers came up in conversation a few
weeks ago, triggering vague memories of Sunshine Superman and Mellow Yellow
as character names. But I couldn't remember *where* I'd seen the characters.
Damon
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 20:35:58 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
At 07:49 PM 1/5/99 -0600, Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote:
>At 04:20 PM 1/5/1999 -0800, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>>At 06:15 PM 1/5/99 -0500, thomas deja wrote:
>>>SUPERWORLD came out with a supplement featuring a group of teen heroes,
>>>and had guidelines on how to build them. Damned if I remember the name
>>>of that supplement, though.
>>
>> "Bad Medicine for Dr. Drugs." Wonderful if you like cheesy humor in the
>>early-eighties animated super-friends vein, horrible if you don't.
>
>Was that the one with characters named Sunshine Superman, Mellow Yellow,
>and so forth? I cannot imagine why, but I've been trying to remember for
>*weeks* now where I'd seen those characters before.
I have no idea regarding those characters. Bad Medicine for Dr. Drugs
featured sample PCs with names like Flashdance, Masked Avenger, Brain,
Quicksilver, Overdrive, etc.
- ---
Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/merrhome.htm
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:39:15 -0800 (PST)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: Re: "Homing" / ATTN: Digital Hero authors
>As it happens, I saved the original article off of the Digital Hero site.
>See attached.
Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:29:25 -0800 (PST)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
>
>SUPERWORLD came out with a supplement featuring a group of teen heroes,
>and had guidelines on how to build them. Damned if I remember the name
>of that supplement, though.
"Bad Medicine for Dr. Drugs". One of the inspirations for my Koln Institute
campaign.
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:33:22 -0800 (PST)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
> "Bad Medicine for Dr. Drugs." Wonderful if you like cheesy humor in the
>early-eighties animated super-friends vein, horrible if you don't.
Hmmm. I didn't find the book particularly comedic either deliberately or
accidently outside of the one comic relief character.
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:38:30 -0800 (PST)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: Re: Personal immunity and absorption
>
>On a related point, how does absorbtion interact with missile deflection and/or
>block? That's an effect which _should_ be possible, but may not actually be
>possible (it appears that it reduces the damage of the attack to 0, which would
>make absorbtion irrelevant).
That's always been my interpetation, since neither of those powers interacts
with the damage as such, at all.
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:49:54 -0800 (PST)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
> Oh, and as for an answer to the question: a Vehicular Focus that is
>Obvious and not easily removed (like an Inaccessible Focus) but doesn't get
>the Vehicle's DEF (like an Accessible Focus) gets a total Limitation of
>-1-1/4 (including the extra -1/2 for being on a Vehicle).
Well, the idea of an intermediate focus is of course legitimate, I was
simply going by (as I recall) the definition in the Vehicle section of the LYB.
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 17:01:48 -0800
From: Rick Holding <rholding@ActOnline.com.au>
Subject: Re: Personal immunity and absorption
Stainless Steel Rat wrote:
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> "AJ" == Anthony Jackson <ajackson@molly.iii.com> writes:
>
> AJ> On a related point, how does absorbtion interact with missile
> AJ> deflection and/or block?
>
> By the book, defenses apply after Absorption is applied against the
> incoming attack. I see no technical reason why Block or Missile Reflection
> cannot be used in the same capacity as other defenses. The style of
> campaign might say otherwise.
Makes for an interesting character design. One which I will keep in
mind for next time.
- --
Rick Holding
If only "common sense" was just a bit more common...
or if you prefer... You call this logic ?
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:36:06 -0800 (PST)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
>At 12:12 PM 1/1/99 -0800, Wayne Shaw wrote:
>>>
>>>On a slightly related tangent, using the Abrams tank from HSA II as an
>>>example. How do you achieve the classic brick-trick of bending the main
>>>turret gun barrel up to render the gun useless? Do you have to do more body
>>>than the DEF of the Tank as a whole? Or could you allow it to be handled via
>>>a STR roll?
>>
>>Tank Guns can be argued as OAFs on a vehicle, and therefor outside the
>>vehicle's defenses per se.
>
>Hardly, a tank gun is hardly an OAF.
By the vehicle use of the term (an item outside the armor of the vehicle and
which is obvious as the source of the power) I think it's exactly that. A
main gun is composed of steel, but it's not really armor plated, and you can
certainly tell it's the source of the attack. So in what way _isn't_ it an
an OAF? (Remember, Vehicular OAFs do not need to be removeable easily).
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 17:06:52 -0800
From: Rick Holding <rholding@ActOnline.com.au>
Subject: Re: Personal immunity and absorption
Bob Greenwade wrote:
> I was going to say, "No way, immunity is immunity," until you mentioned
> this thing between Cyclops and Havok. I knew that they were immune to the
> effects of each others' powers, but during my comic-reading years I never
> saw them get stronger when they attacked each other.
I only remember one case clearly, and another couple only dimly. It
was during the Inferno situation where Jean Grey was held by Sinister
who seems to have a vulnerability to Cyclops's energy blast. Havoc
blasted away at Cyclops who made the comment that all it does is sting a
bit and make him stronger. Cyclops was then targeted at Sinister by
some clever comments made by others in the group and literally blew
Sinister away. (But he got better..)
- --
Rick Holding
If only "common sense" was just a bit more common...
or if you prefer... You call this logic ?
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:40:33 -0800 (PST)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
>>Well, the idea of an intermediate focus is of course legitimate, I was
>>simply going by (as I recall) the definition in the Vehicle section of the
>LYB.
>
>What is the LYB?
Ah, sorry. Little Yellow Book. The standalone Hero Rules paperback, which
is what I work off of these days.
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 00:28:06 -0600
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net>
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
At 01:02 PM 1/5/1999 -0600, Guy Hoyle wrote:
>Anybody got any good names/concepts for some teen superheroes?
Several years ago my roommate -- not the most PC person around, nor one to
take much of anything seriously -- wrote up a group of female characters
based on candy and junk food. I'll skip some of them, as well as the
overall group name, so as not to offend [as many] people:
Cherry Lifesaver - a nurse with Healing Aid and a kind of Transdimensional
"Detect Life" Sense. She'd lose her powers if she lost her virginity.
Red Hot - petite redhead with minor fire-based powers; appearance more
along the lines of Hot Stuff (the little devil from Harvey Comics) than the
Human Torch.
Atomic Fireball - this one was more like the Human Torch...or Nova (Frankie
Raye).
The Twinkie - massive regeneration and LS: Does not age. Thirteen forever,
and *all* parts of her body regenerate, so she can be medically established
as virginal, even if persistent rumor says otherwise.
Strawberry PopTart - a strawberry blond teen, er, tart...with Teleport, UAO.
I think that's about as far as I dare go with this. Besides, you asked for
*good* ideas, so this is off topic. :)
Damon
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:06:25 -0800 (PST)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
>At 03:40 PM 1/5/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>>>Well, the idea of an intermediate focus is of course legitimate, I was
>>>>simply going by (as I recall) the definition in the Vehicle section of the
>>>LYB.
>>>
>>>What is the LYB?
>>
>>Ah, sorry. Little Yellow Book. The standalone Hero Rules paperback, which
>>is what I work off of these days.
>
>
>aka the HSR?
Ah-yup. Got in the habit elsewhere of refering to it that way to contrast
with the BBB.
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 99 10:56:35
From: "qts" <qts@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Y2k bug (from predictions)
On Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:48:03 -0800, Filksinger wrote:
>From: Michael Sprague <msprague@eznet.net>
>
><snip>
>>Sorry. Y2K is indeed a serious issue, but it also gets blown out of
>>proportion by people who don't understand what the problems are (again, I'm
>>not picking on MWStrong) . I have even seen outright untruths about the
>>issue on the evening news.
>
>
>Considering that evening news consistently gets any tech or science story
>messed up, this isn't a surprise. I have yet to see a single program that
>can actually tell you the correct date the millenium will end. (Hint: It
>isn't Dec 31, 1999.)
Of course, sensible people just plan to have *two* celebrations.
qts
Home: qts@nildram.co.uk.
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 07:00:34 -0600
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net>
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
At 08:35 PM 1/5/1999 -0800, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>>> "Bad Medicine for Dr. Drugs." Wonderful if you like cheesy humor in the
>>>early-eighties animated super-friends vein, horrible if you don't.
>>
>>Was that the one with characters named Sunshine Superman, Mellow Yellow,
>>and so forth? I cannot imagine why, but I've been trying to remember for
>>*weeks* now where I'd seen those characters before.
>
> I have no idea regarding those characters. Bad Medicine for Dr. Drugs
>featured sample PCs with names like Flashdance, Masked Avenger, Brain,
>Quicksilver, Overdrive, etc.
Nuts. I thought I could finally quit wondering about this. These may not
even have been Hero System characters, but they were superhero RPG
characters. I might have seen them in a back issue of Pyramid (though I
can't find such an article on the online archive at sjgames) or another
gaming magazine. I'm sure they were RPG writeups, not comic book
characters, and I quit reading Animal Man before the series ended, so I
wouldn't have seen them there.
Damon
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 99 13:17:13
From: "qts" <qts@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Two Questions For the Brits
On Tue, 05 Jan 1999 17:34:32 -0800, Bob Greenwade wrote:
> I have a couple of questions for the British (especially English)
>members of this list. Each relates to a different character I have created
>or am in the process of creating.
> First, according to my copy of Webster's Third New International
>Dictionary, a Cockney is defined as (among other things) "someone born
>within the range of sound of the bells of Bow Church, London."
Yep.
> Is this church currently active in that office?
I *think* so.
> More specifically, would it be
>inappropriate to have a character who was actually born *in* the church
>itself?
If the character were a pigeon or mouse or of that ilk, it would be ok,
otherwise, a definite no-no.
>Second, while I have your attention, those of you Brits who have Web
>access and a way to play WAV files: I'd appreciate it if you'd give a
>listen to the quotes I've recorded for the Squirrel King on my website. I
>would like your assurance that my English accent there is appropriately
>wretched (yes, I was trying to do a *bad* job of it, intentionally).
I'll take a peek this evening.
qts
Home: qts@nildram.co.uk.
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:50:37 -0500
From: Mike Christodoulou <Cypriot@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Two Questions For the Brits
At 01:17 PM 1/6/99 +0000, qts wrote:
>> Is this church currently active in that office?
>
>I *think* so.
>
>> More specifically, would it be
>>inappropriate to have a character who was actually born *in* the church
>>itself?
>
>If the character were a pigeon or mouse or of that ilk, it would be ok,
>otherwise, a definite no-no.
"definite no-no" as in it's impossible? Or as in the Church elders
would frown upon a planned birth in the pews?
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:22:24 -0600 (CST)
From: "Dr. Nuncheon" <jeffj@io.com>
Subject: Re: Personal immunity and absorption
On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Anthony Jackson wrote:
>
> On a related point, how does absorbtion interact with missile deflection and/or
> block? That's an effect which _should_ be possible, but may not actually be
> possible (it appears that it reduces the damage of the attack to 0, which would
> make absorbtion irrelevant).
Well, it doesn't really reduce the damage of the attack at all - it just
makes it do something other than hit you (or, rather, something other than
hit you in a damaging way). Classic Missile Deflection would be Wonder
Woman's bracelets or the way Jedis block blaster bolts in Star Wars: the
bullet still goes somewhere, it just doesn't hit its intended target.
That said, I don't see much wrong with using Missile Deflection and
Absorbtion on the same attack as long as the SFX warrant it. If you were
going to Reflect the attack, I might decrease the power of the Reflected
attack by the amount Absorbed, though.
J
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:46:50 -0600
From: "Guy Hoyle" <ghoyle1@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
> From: Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin <griffin@txdirect.net>
> > "Bad Medicine for Dr. Drugs." Wonderful if you like cheesy humor in
the
> >early-eighties animated super-friends vein, horrible if you don't.
>
> Was that the one with characters named Sunshine Superman, Mellow Yellow,
> and so forth? I cannot imagine why, but I've been trying to remember for
> *weeks* now where I'd seen those characters before.
That's not it, unfortunately. I don't know where those characters are from.
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 06:39:27 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Two Questions For the Brits
At 01:17 PM 1/6/99, qts wrote:
>> More specifically, would it be
>>inappropriate to have a character who was actually born *in* the church
>>itself?
>
>If the character were a pigeon or mouse or of that ilk, it would be ok,
>otherwise, a definite no-no.
Well, I wasn't meaning *intentionally.* I was thinking of a situation
along the lines of, "Someone call an ambulance! Oh, wait, never mind --
too late! Is there a doctor in the house?" ;-]
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:53:24 -0500
From: Bill Svitavsky <nbymail11@mln.lib.ma.us>
Subject: Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
At 04:27 PM 1/5/99 -0600, Guy Hoyle wrote:
>Acouple of possibilities just came to me:
>1) A teenager who can change forms to a superhero who's totally embarassing
>to him: "Aw, gee, I hate it when I have to change into _______! Can't we
>just let the bank robbers go?" (What's really embarassing to a teenager?
>besides parents)
>
How about Zitgeist, the Spirit of Adolescence? His powers include
Desolidification and Mind Control - only to cause moody rebellion or
extreme horniness. He has Distinctive Features: Severe Acne, of course, and
various Psychological (or Physical?) Limitations causing him to act
exaggeratedly adolescent. (And if you want to get _really_ silly, another
DF: Smells Like Teen Spirit.)
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 06:49:21 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
At 02:36 PM 1/5/99 -0800, Wayne Shaw wrote:
>>Hardly, a tank gun is hardly an OAF.
>
>By the vehicle use of the term (an item outside the armor of the vehicle and
>which is obvious as the source of the power) I think it's exactly that. A
>main gun is composed of steel, but it's not really armor plated, and you can
>certainly tell it's the source of the attack. So in what way _isn't_ it an
>an OAF? (Remember, Vehicular OAFs do not need to be removeable easily).
Whit is your source for that last assertion?
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 06:47:18 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
At 02:49 PM 1/5/99 -0800, Wayne Shaw wrote:
>
>> Oh, and as for an answer to the question: a Vehicular Focus that is
>>Obvious and not easily removed (like an Inaccessible Focus) but doesn't get
>>the Vehicle's DEF (like an Accessible Focus) gets a total Limitation of
>>-1-1/4 (including the extra -1/2 for being on a Vehicle).
>
>Well, the idea of an intermediate focus is of course legitimate, I was
>simply going by (as I recall) the definition in the Vehicle section of the
LYB.
Oh, I'm not dissing that POV at all. I was just telling how it should
have been addressed in TUV, whereas it wasn't.
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Date: 06 Jan 1999 10:31:30 -0500
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>
Subject: Re: Personal immunity and absorption
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Absorption quite specifically does not allow this. What you are describing
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:02:35 -0600
From: "Daniel" <drake01@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
For future refereance Mason is not goth. Any selfrespecting one would
probably flay you alive if you said taht to them.
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From: Firelynx16@aol.com <Firelynx16@aol.com>
To: ghoyle1@airmail.net <ghoyle1@airmail.net&> champs-l@sysabend.org
<champs-l@sysabend.org>
Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
>In a message dated 1/5/99 1:07:16 PM Central Standard Time,
>ghoyle1@airmail.net writes:
>
>> Anybody got any good names/concepts for some teen superheroes?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Guy
>
>How about Goth Girl (or Grrl)--typical goth Manson wannabe with white face,
>black hair/eyes/lipstick, dresses in all black, tons o piercings/tatoos,
>etc... except she actually is a vampire, or some other creature of the
occult.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 06:41:03 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Two Questions For the Brits
At 08:50 AM 1/6/99 -0500, Mike Christodoulou wrote:
>At 01:17 PM 1/6/99 +0000, qts wrote:
>>> Is this church currently active in that office?
>>
>>I *think* so.
>>
>>> More specifically, would it be
>>>inappropriate to have a character who was actually born *in* the church
>>>itself?
>>
>>If the character were a pigeon or mouse or of that ilk, it would be ok,
>>otherwise, a definite no-no.
>
>"definite no-no" as in it's impossible? Or as in the Church elders
>would frown upon a planned birth in the pews?
Unplanned, actually, in this case, as I point out elsewhere. :-]
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Date: 06 Jan 1999 10:29:33 -0500
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>
Subject: Re: Personal immunity and absorption
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RH> Makes for an interesting character design. One which I will keep in
RH> mind for next time.
Just remember, there are good reasons why Missile Deflection has a
magnifying glass next to it. Your GM might nix the idea on general
principle.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:45:20 -0600
From: "Guy Hoyle" <ghoyle1@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
- ----------
> From: dflacks <dflacks@ican.net>
> Sex.
>
> That got your attention. By Sex I mean the opposite gender in general
and
> relationships in paticular. Try a teen whoes superpowered form is the
> opposite sex. A secret ID is essential, that's where the fun comes in.
If
> a boy, when he becomes a super girl in the required revealing costume,
his
> male friends hit on him and his female friends act bitchy to the new
rival,
> and the longer he remains in female hero form the more femine he begins
to
> act and think. This requires a good role player, but can be great for
for
> player and nasty tormenting GM alike.
I agree with someone else: if I were a teenage boy whose super-power
involved changing into a girl, either I'd never come out of my room, or I'd
never, ever, ever change into my super-form.
>
> If you have ever seen any of the Anime Ranma 1/2, the central theme is
the
> choas that insues in one teenage boy's life when he is cursed so that he
> becomes a girl when splashed with cold water and a boy when splashed with
> hot water. Please no flames. The problem is not that he becomes a
woman,
> but that he keeps switching back and forth, and he is not in control of
when
> he changes.
It's beside the point, but I'm not a Ranma 1/2 fan, or an anime fan in
general.
>
> If you do not want to deal with the gender issues you can try various
> personality or social issues. A jock who becomes a super nerd or a
smart,
> shy teenager who becomes a super attractive idiot with the morals of an
> alley cat. Have Fun.
I like this possibility much better. Though I rejected some of your
suggestions, I do appreciate the effort you made to send them to me.
Thanks!
Guy
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:28:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Ell Egyptoid <egyptoid@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts (Manson=Gothic)
>For future refereance Manson is not goth.
Yes, he is. How do you explain the pale makeup, black clothes,
anti-establishment, anti-joy, demeanor? I could get many many
people, especially me, to disagree.
> Any self-respecting one would
> probably flay you alive if you said that to them.
Self-Respecting One what? Goth, or Manson Fan?
Are you saying Gothics would consider themselves better
than Manson Fans or vice-versa?
==
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:30:23 -0500
From: Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@mondello.toronto.fmco.com>
Subject: Manson, the POST-goth icon
Oh please.
Goth is dead as disco, ergo Manson is post-goth.
Joy Division was goth. Sisters of Mercy was goth. Fields of Nephilheim was
goth. Even the Cure, I can accept as a proper goth band. But as a fan of
these old goth bands and the Reverend Marylin Manson, I think they're
fundamentaly different.
Manson is the evolution of heavy metal. Yes. I used the M-word. Listen to
some old Manson and tell me how that's different from the death metal of the
80's. When Nothing records picked up Manson and Trent Resnor produced
Antichrist Superstar [one of my all-time favourites], Manson evolved into
something new. Well, a new combination of old elements. Goth is certainly
one of the elements but no more important than death metal, old '70's acid
psycheadelia or Alice Cooper. Now, with Mechanical Animals, he bears more
resemblance to Bowie in the Ziggy Stardust years or T-Rex than anything
gothic.
To say that one is better than the other or that a goth fan should or should
not like Manson is ridiculous. It's all good.
Sorry for contributing to an off-topic posting but I just had to speak on
this.
BRI
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:59:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com>
Subject: Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
IMNSHO: Marlyin Manson should crawl back under his rock.
Michael Surbrook / susano@otd.com
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"'Cause I'm the god of destruction, that's why!" - Susano Orbatos,Orion
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:23:33 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Personal immunity and absorption
At 10:31 AM 1/6/99 -0500, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:
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>"N" == Nuncheon <jeffj@io.com> writes:
>
>N> If you were going to Reflect the attack, I might decrease the power of
>N> the Reflected attack by the amount Absorbed, though.
>
>Absorption quite specifically does not allow this. What you are describing
>is Drain.
Take another look at what Nuncheon's suggesting. The *outgoing* attack
(after being Reflected) is what's decreased by the Absorption. It's a
caveat, not a benefit.
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