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champ-l-digest Thursday, January 7 1999 Volume 01 : Number 124
In this issue:
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: Personal immunity and absorption
Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
Re: Two Questions For the Brits
Re: Personal immunity and absorption
Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
Fantasy Hero Mailing List
Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
Re: Two Questions For the Brits
Re: Two Questions For the Brits
Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
Re: Two Questions For the Brits
Re: Two Questions For the Brits - Reply
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Re: Two Questions For the Brits - Reply
Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
New e-mail address
Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:31:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Ell Egyptoid <egyptoid@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
> Breakfast Club
> none of this will make sense unless you've seen the movie.
seen it a jillion times. great ideas and concepts.
==
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:56:34 -0500
From: Chuck Badger <wbandsis@westco.net>
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote:
>
> At 08:35 PM 1/5/1999 -0800, Bob Greenwade wrote:
> >>> "Bad Medicine for Dr. Drugs." Wonderful if you like cheesy humor in the
> >>>early-eighties animated super-friends vein, horrible if you don't.
> >>
> >>Was that the one with characters named Sunshine Superman, Mellow Yellow,
> >>and so forth? I cannot imagine why, but I've been trying to remember for
> >>*weeks* now where I'd seen those characters before.
> >
> > I have no idea regarding those characters. Bad Medicine for Dr. Drugs
> >featured sample PCs with names like Flashdance, Masked Avenger, Brain,
> >Quicksilver, Overdrive, etc.
>
> Nuts. I thought I could finally quit wondering about this. These may not
> even have been Hero System characters, but they were superhero RPG
> characters. I might have seen them in a back issue of Pyramid (though I
> can't find such an article on the online archive at sjgames) or another
> gaming magazine. I'm sure they were RPG writeups, not comic book
> characters, and I quit reading Animal Man before the series ended, so I
> wouldn't have seen them there.
they were done up in both Superworld system and CHampions. I have that
and played it.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:12:51 -0600 (CST)
From: "Dr. Nuncheon" <jeffj@io.com>
Subject: Re: Personal immunity and absorption
On 6 Jan 1999, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:
> "N" == Nuncheon <jeffj@io.com> writes:
>
> N> If you were going to Reflect the attack, I might decrease the power of
> N> the Reflected attack by the amount Absorbed, though.
>
> Absorption quite specifically does not allow this. What you are describing
> is Drain.
Um, no, clarification time again. I meant decrease the power of the
reflected attack, /not/ the reflected attack power. See the difference?
Example: Nelwyn launches an attack spell at the spellbreaker Vargas.
Vargas has a magic sword that gains power from magical attacks
(Absorbption) and can also reflect them back on the originator. The
mystic bolt rolls 20 stun and 6 body on the dice. Vargas' sword rolls 4
body on its absorbtion, which go to Vargas' strength. Vargas also makes
his missile reflection roll, and sends the bolt back at the hapless
Nelwyn.
Now, here is what I was saying comes into play - the attack on Nelwyn
might be reduced in power, because Vargas' sword absorbed some of the
energy of the attack. Nelwyn winds up attacked with a 6 stun, 2 body bolt
of magical energy - but the next time he casts his mystic bolt spell, it's
still at the full 6 dice.
So, it's not really like drain at all, inasmuch as it doesn't actually
drain the attackers power. It's closer to suppress, but since it's
actually a /hindrance/ to the person combining the Absorbption and
Reflection (you don't get to absorb the energy and reflect it back full
power.)
One could also make a case that it would be worth a limit on the Missile
Reflection power (something like 'Does not reflect at full power if
absorbtion is used'). IMHO, it's a small limit if any, because you're
still protected from the effects of the attack and you still get to bounce
an attack at someone else.
J
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:52:25 -0500 (EST)
From: tdj723@webtv.net (thomas deja)
Subject: Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
>From: nbymail11@mln.lib.ma.us (Bill Svitavsky)
>>How about Zitgeist, the Spirit of
>> Adolescence? His powers include
>> Desolidification and Mind Control - only to
>> cause moody rebellion or extreme
>> horniness. He has Distinctive Features:
>> Severe Acne, of course, and various
>> Psychological (or Physical?) Limitations
>> causing him to act exaggeratedly
>> adolescent. (And if you want to get _really_
>> silly, another DF: Smells Like Teen Spirit.)
...and this beautiful description reminds me of a character from Marty
Paskos run on E-MAN, Zitpops, a Cyclops take-off whose energy blasts
came from popping his own zits....
"It's almost Dante's Inferno, except the beer was cheaper in Hell, and
the damned were smarter than this crowd."
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:14:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Oscar Tibor <oscartibor@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
Michael Surbrook wrote:
>
> IMNSHO: Marlyin Manson should crawl back under his rock.
>
> Michael Surbrook / susano@otd.com
> http://www.otd.com/~susano/index.html
> "'Cause I'm the god of destruction, that's why!" - Susano
Orbatos,Orion
>
>
>
YES!
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:48:38 PST
From: "Jesse Thomas" <haerandir@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
I am reminded of a really bad Saturday morning cartoon I saw once.
Something along the lines of "Super Hero High". I believe this was
either the late '70s or early '80s. I don't remember any of the
character except the following:
'Captain California': A typical spandex-clad All-American boy type
superhero. Had a flying surfboard and the ability to create an EB with
the SFX of light originating from his gleaming white teeth.
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 99 23:24:00
From: "qts" <qts@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Two Questions For the Brits
On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 06:41:03 -0800, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>At 08:50 AM 1/6/99 -0500, Mike Christodoulou wrote:
>>At 01:17 PM 1/6/99 +0000, qts wrote:
>>>> Is this church currently active in that office?
>>>
>>>I *think* so.
>>>
>>>> More specifically, would it be
>>>>inappropriate to have a character who was actually born *in* the church
>>>>itself?
>>>
>>>If the character were a pigeon or mouse or of that ilk, it would be ok,
>>>otherwise, a definite no-no.
>>
>>"definite no-no" as in it's impossible? Or as in the Church elders
>>would frown upon a planned birth in the pews?
The moment a woman started to go into labour, she'd be whipped round to
the nearest hospital, unless exceptional circumstances prevented this -
things like snow-drifts don't apply.
BTW The voice for The Squirrel King doesn't sound British at all.
qts
Home: qts@nildram.co.uk.
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Date: 06 Jan 1999 17:49:10 -0500
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>
Subject: Re: Personal immunity and absorption
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N> Now, here is what I was saying comes into play - the attack on Nelwyn
N> might be reduced in power, because Vargas' sword absorbed some of the
N> energy of the attack.
I see what you are saying. I am saying that by the book this is wrong.
Absorption never affects the damage done by an attack. No matter how
much Vargas' sword absorbs, the reflected attack is unmodified and Nelwin
has to deal with a 6 Body/20 Stun attack.
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Date: 06 Jan 1999 17:54:52 -0500
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>
Subject: Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
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"BW" == Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@mondello.toronto.fmco.com> writes:
BW> Joy Division was goth.
Joy Division is angst-ridden pre-techno techno.
BW> Sisters of Mercy was goth.
Aside from the fact that the gothness of Andrew Eldritch is a joke :).
Type O Negative is goth.
[...]
BW> Manson is the evolution of heavy metal. Yes. I used the M-word. Listen
BW> to some old Manson and tell me how that's different from the death
BW> metal of the 80's.
To paraphrase the narrator of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, not at
all. Me, I put Manson in the same category as Alice Cooper... except for
the fact that I *like* Alice Cooper :).
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 17:29:19 -0600
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net>
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
At 01:56 PM 1/6/1999 -0500, Chuck Badger wrote:
>Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote:
>>
>> >>Was that the one with characters named Sunshine Superman, Mellow Yellow,
>> >>and so forth? I cannot imagine why, but I've been trying to remember for
>> >>*weeks* now where I'd seen those characters before.
>> >
>> > I have no idea regarding those characters. Bad Medicine for Dr. Drugs
>> >featured sample PCs with names like Flashdance, Masked Avenger, Brain,
>> >Quicksilver, Overdrive, etc.
>>
>> Nuts. I thought I could finally quit wondering about this. These may not
>> even have been Hero System characters, but they were superhero RPG
>> characters. I might have seen them in a back issue of Pyramid (though I
>> can't find such an article on the online archive at sjgames) or another
>> gaming magazine. I'm sure they were RPG writeups, not comic book
>> characters, and I quit reading Animal Man before the series ended, so I
>> wouldn't have seen them there.
>
>they were done up in both Superworld system and CHampions. I have that
>and played it.
Um, okay, Chuck -- they were done up in *what product(s)* for Superworld
and Champions? I am dead certain I've seen these drug-based character
writeups, but people keep telling me I didn't see them in "Bad Medicine for
Dr. Drugs"...so where did I see 'em?
Damon
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:53:21 -0500 (EST)
From: arcus@webtv.net (chrisopher spoor)
Subject: Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
Hero High 1983, by Filmation
Captain California and Wipeout the surfboard
Glorious Girl - super strength and flight, CC's girlfriend
Misty Magic -fight and a VPP witha very low skill roll
Punk Rock - sonics ( bad singing )
Weatherman - imprecise weather control
Rex Ruthless
Dirty Trixie
Bratman
the Encyclopedia of Superheroes
they were both cartoons and live and included a Captain Marvel cartoon
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:56:03 -0500 (EST)
From: arcus@webtv.net (chrisopher spoor)
Subject: Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
I don't remember when this started, but has anyone done stats for him?
either real or fictionalized
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 19:43:31 -0500
From: "B.C. Holmes" <bcholmes@interlog.com>
Subject: Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
Jesse Thomas wrote:
>
> I am reminded of a really bad Saturday morning cartoon I saw once.
> Something along the lines of "Super Hero High". I believe this was
> either the late '70s or early '80s. I don't remember any of the
> character except the following:
>
> 'Captain California': A typical spandex-clad All-American boy type
> superhero. Had a flying surfboard and the ability to create an EB with
> the SFX of light originating from his gleaming white teeth.
Baby Boy (one of the non-regular characters) could have super-tantrums.
BCing you
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:43:38 -0800 (PST)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
>At 02:36 PM 1/5/99 -0800, Wayne Shaw wrote:
>>>Hardly, a tank gun is hardly an OAF.
>>
>>By the vehicle use of the term (an item outside the armor of the vehicle and
>>which is obvious as the source of the power) I think it's exactly that. A
>>main gun is composed of steel, but it's not really armor plated, and you can
>>certainly tell it's the source of the attack. So in what way _isn't_ it an
>>an OAF? (Remember, Vehicular OAFs do not need to be removeable easily).
>
> Whit is your source for that last assertion?
Well, I suppose it depends on your definition of 'easily'. If you read
the section on 'Equipment' on page 190 of the Hero System Rules, you will
find the following paragraph as the last one in this section: " It is
possible to destroy equipment without destroying the vehicle or base wall.
An Acessible focus (OAF or IAF) is outside the DEF of the vehicle or base,
and get their DEF from normal foci rules. Inaccessible Foci gets its DEF of
the vehicle or base plus their own. Obvious Foci are recgnizeable for what
they are and the function they perform. Inobvious Foci are hidden as part
of the vehicle or base." In addition, an example of mounted blasters (in a
base) with the Immobile Focus limitation in addition to the OAF limitation
is given above. I have to conclude in conjunction that these make it
unlikely that it's presumed you can simply grab the focus off a vehicle or
base; the implied uses fit too many things where it clearly just wouldn't be
possible.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:57:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Dale Ward <daleaward@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Fantasy Hero Mailing List
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 20:25:42 -0600
From: Todd Hanson <badtodd@home.com>
Subject: Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
chrisopher spoor wrote:
>
> I don't remember when this started, but has anyone done stats for him?
> either real or fictionalized
Actually, after attending a Manson concert (I was there to see Type O
Negative) and seeing the closest thing on this earth to Mind Control.. I
DID write up a scenario involving Marilyn Manson (which sparked off a
pretty ugly religious flame war).
If anybody is interested, I'll dig it up and repost it.
Todd
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:45:23 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
At 06:53 PM 1/6/99 -0500, chrisopher spoor wrote:
>Hero High 1983, by Filmation
[snip]
>Weatherman - imprecise weather control
He did eventually get the hang of the "block of ice" Entangle, and loved
to call out, "Okay you guys -- freeze!" when he did it. (Though it may
have been what we'd refer to as Incantations; I'm not sure.)
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:40:46 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
At 01:14 PM 1/6/99 -0800, Oscar Tibor wrote:
>Michael Surbrook wrote:
>>
>> IMNSHO: Marlyin Manson should crawl back under his rock.
>>
>YES!
While I tend toward a general agreement with this sentiment myself, I've
been getting an interesting thought as the discussion has centered on the
discussion of "Manson" (without the first name) as a Goth figure.
Specifically, in my head I keep hearing a dark, lugubrious, heavy metal
rendition of "Mmm-Bop."
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:51:31 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
At 05:54 PM 1/6/99 -0500, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:
>To paraphrase the narrator of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, not at
>all. Me, I put Manson in the same category as Alice Cooper... except for
>the fact that I *like* Alice Cooper :).
The difference here is probably that Cooper has always considered his
act to be mostly a joke, whereas Manson takes himself so seriously that he
became the joke.
(And I'm really hoping this thread dies by the weekend, unless someone
can bring it back securely around to something Hero-related....)
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:48:04 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Two Questions For the Brits
At 11:24 PM 1/6/99, qts wrote:
>On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 06:41:03 -0800, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>
>>At 08:50 AM 1/6/99 -0500, Mike Christodoulou wrote:
>>>At 01:17 PM 1/6/99 +0000, qts wrote:
>>>>> Is this church currently active in that office?
>>>>
>>>>I *think* so.
>>>>
>>>>> More specifically, would it be
>>>>>inappropriate to have a character who was actually born *in* the church
>>>>>itself?
>>>>
>>>>If the character were a pigeon or mouse or of that ilk, it would be ok,
>>>>otherwise, a definite no-no.
>>>
>>>"definite no-no" as in it's impossible? Or as in the Church elders
>>>would frown upon a planned birth in the pews?
>
>The moment a woman started to go into labour, she'd be whipped round to
>the nearest hospital, unless exceptional circumstances prevented this -
>things like snow-drifts don't apply.
OK... can you think of something that would apply? Perhaps my "never
mind, it's out already" idea?
>BTW The voice for The Squirrel King doesn't sound British at all.
That bad, huh? Magnificent! :-]
(Rather like Eric Idle trying to do an American Deep South accent, which
sounds more like New Zealander to my ear....)
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:03:25 -0500 (EST)
From: arcus@webtv.net (chrisopher spoor)
Subject: Re: Two Questions For the Brits
well its more an american twist, but how about the old " teenager in the
bathroom " possibility. While her parents are in the pews during the
sermon, she having a kid that no one knew was coming.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:37:55 -0500 (EST)
From: arcus@webtv.net (chrisopher spoor)
Subject: Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
the book says Weatherman messed up things like summoning gentle winds
and getting light rains. just figure comedy relief. If I remember he got
the ice right at the end, or something else went wrong if he got the ice
right.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:07:02 -0500 (EST)
From: tdj723@webtv.net (thomas deja)
Subject: Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
>From: bob.greenwade@klock.com (Bob Greenwade)
>> Specifically, in my head I keep hearing a
>> dark, lugubrious, heavy metal rendition of
>> "Mmm-Bop."
bob you must've eaten at the same restuarant I ate at when I dreamed
both the Beastie Boy's rendition of the Eurythmics' "Missionary Man,"
and the Barry White-pllow-talk version of "Smells Like Teen Spirit."
<involuntary shudder>
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the damned were smarter than this crowd."
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 23:16:30 -0500
From: Badger <wbandsis@wstcm1.westco.net>
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
At 05:29 PM 1/6/99 -0600, Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote:
>At 01:56 PM 1/6/1999 -0500, Chuck Badger wrote:
>>Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote:
>>>
>>> >>Was that the one with characters named Sunshine Superman, Mellow Yellow,
>>> >>and so forth? I cannot imagine why, but I've been trying to remember
for
>>> >>*weeks* now where I'd seen those characters before.
>>> >
>>> > I have no idea regarding those characters. Bad Medicine for Dr. Drugs
>>> >featured sample PCs with names like Flashdance, Masked Avenger, Brain,
>>> >Quicksilver, Overdrive, etc.
>>>
>>> Nuts. I thought I could finally quit wondering about this. These may not
>>> even have been Hero System characters, but they were superhero RPG
>>> characters. I might have seen them in a back issue of Pyramid (though I
>>> can't find such an article on the online archive at sjgames) or another
>>> gaming magazine. I'm sure they were RPG writeups, not comic book
>>> characters, and I quit reading Animal Man before the series ended, so I
>>> wouldn't have seen them there.
>>
>>they were done up in both Superworld system and CHampions. I have that
>>and played it.
>
>Um, okay, Chuck -- they were done up in *what product(s)* for Superworld
>and Champions? I am dead certain I've seen these drug-based character
>writeups, but people keep telling me I didn't see them in "Bad Medicine for
>Dr. Drugs"...so where did I see 'em?
Several of the Superworld products had both Hero and Superworld stats. I
think Bad Medicine also might of been one of the couple with Villians &
Vigilantes also. OF Course if you want solid verification I would have to
drag my copy out of storage.
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 22:25:16 +0000
From: Gary & Kim Miles <miles.kim.gary@mcleodusa.net>
Subject: Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
I've been reading the teenage hero concepts and decided to add my 2cents
worth.
I've been running a teenage hero game for over 2 years now. I took elements
from Xaver's school, added our own universe and it's problems and heros, then
added the healer / mentalist as a teacher. Her philosophy is that someone has
to teach or Viper will get new paranormals, or Genoside, or PSI.
The charcters are Chance, a gageteer with a high IQ, a passion for practial
jokes, and jet powered skate board. He's 12 years old.
Jamal, the only 6'5" Indian you may ever meet. He has minor mental powers,
boxing, and working on growth. He's only 12.
Joey, speedster that is biologically 2, physically 10, and has the attention
span of a humming bird on speed. His code name is Blue Streak. He annoys the
older, more stable (?) members of the team.
Rhy, martial artist. 16 years old.
Thunderclap, Avitar of an Aztec Thunder God. Controls light, sonic flash, and
regenerates in natural light. Has trouble in the dark, looses powers, and
endurance.
River, code name Sea. Water controller. 15 year girl, normal as River, but
completely blue, skin and hair as Sea. Has problems in dry heat, but does
well in tropical jungles.
Kalley, a troubled strong 17 year girl, with a father in prison for running a
sacrificial cult, and Kalley was to be just another sacrifice. Conviced of
assult, with intent to do bodily harm, and became a ward of the School.
Not all our characters, but a few. There are about 10 others, in two
different games we're running.
I pulled out the copies of Dr Drug, and the villian names are Overdrive,
Quicksilver, Ogre, Blossom, Masked Advenger, Flashdance, Dark Duchess, Brain,
Dr, Drugs, Lorelei, and Monkey Thugs.
I also found the Gurps supers School of Hard Knocks, that have the
Hell-raisers and the Fourty thieves. Names like Plasma, Flare, Psi-blast,
Cold Snap.
The players we have are very imaginative and its fun to watch 25+ playing kids
getting into trouble, unforttantaly I have to run the charater that has to
keep them in line, and out of Genoside hands.
Hope these have been some help,
Shadowcat
PS
We have a fantasy hero campaign whose oldest member is 18 and a Knight errant,
taking care of a Crown Princess, a traveling monk, and a released prisoneer.
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 23:48:39 -0500
From: Glen Sprigg <borealis@cois.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Teenage Superhero Concepts
>I am reminded of a really bad Saturday morning cartoon I saw once.
>Something along the lines of "Super Hero High". I believe this was
>either the late '70s or early '80s. I don't remember any of the
>character except the following:
>
>'Captain California': A typical spandex-clad All-American boy type
>superhero. Had a flying surfboard and the ability to create an EB with
>the SFX of light originating from his gleaming white teeth.
>
Oh my God, you mean that WASN'T a hallucination of my youth? I remember
Captain California as well, along with some of his friends. I don't
remember the really cute girl's name, but I know she was the brick of the
group. I also remember Weatherman, a fat guy in a gaudy costume that never
seemed to have any actual powers.
Glen
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 99 10:20:51
From: "qts" <qts@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Two Questions For the Brits
On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:48:04 -0800, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>At 11:24 PM 1/6/99, qts wrote:
>>On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 06:41:03 -0800, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>>
>>>At 08:50 AM 1/6/99 -0500, Mike Christodoulou wrote:
>>>>At 01:17 PM 1/6/99 +0000, qts wrote:
>>>>>> Is this church currently active in that office?
>>>>>
>>>>>I *think* so.
>>>>>
>>>>>> More specifically, would it be
>>>>>>inappropriate to have a character who was actually born *in* the church
>>>>>>itself?
>>>>>
>>>>>If the character were a pigeon or mouse or of that ilk, it would be ok,
>>>>>otherwise, a definite no-no.
>>>>
>>>>"definite no-no" as in it's impossible? Or as in the Church elders
>>>>would frown upon a planned birth in the pews?
>>
>>The moment a woman started to go into labour, she'd be whipped round to
>>the nearest hospital, unless exceptional circumstances prevented this -
>>things like snow-drifts don't apply.
>
> OK... can you think of something that would apply? Perhaps my "never
>mind, it's out already" idea?
If it were a really fast labour, or the Blitz was going on. Churches
aren't the most hygenic places.
>>BTW The voice for The Squirrel King doesn't sound British at all.
>
> That bad, huh? Magnificent! :-]
> (Rather like Eric Idle trying to do an American Deep South accent, which
>sounds more like New Zealander to my ear....)
The accent sounds mid-atlantic.
For a toffee-nosed Brit, think 'Air Hair Lair There', for a lower-class
Londoner, be gruffer and drop the h's. Don't even think about
attempting a Glaswegian accent. Oh, and Scots have a *burr*, Irish a
*brogue*.
qts
Home: qts@nildram.co.uk.
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 11:29:15 +0000
From: Stephen McGinness <MCGINNESSS@parliament.uk>
Subject: Re: Two Questions For the Brits - Reply
Churches are no less hygeinic than the back of a car, and once a baby is under
way it is more dangerous to move the mother than to risk the local hygiene.
I'd say a church birth should be possible, especially if it had been a hidden
pregnancy and the mother refused to believe it possible until the baby really
was on its way. It may have been frowned upon, imagine if a child was born out
of wedlock actually within the confines of a church in the 1950's!!
Stephen
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 06:55:14 -0600
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net>
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
At 11:16 PM 1/6/1999 -0500, Badger wrote:
>>Um, okay, Chuck -- they were done up in *what product(s)* for Superworld
>>and Champions? I am dead certain I've seen these drug-based character
>>writeups, but people keep telling me I didn't see them in "Bad Medicine for
>>Dr. Drugs"...so where did I see 'em?
>
>Several of the Superworld products had both Hero and Superworld stats. I
>think Bad Medicine also might of been one of the couple with Villians &
>Vigilantes also. OF Course if you want solid verification I would have to
>drag my copy out of storage.
Well, I can't say how much trouble it would be for you to do that, but it
might finally settle the question, as well as providing the names of the
other characters (I've only been able to remember two).
Shadowcat's post pretty definitively eliminates "Dr. Drugs" as the source
of the names I've mentioned, confirming what several other people have
said. So the question remains: where did these characters appear?
Damon
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 07:48:22 -0800
From: Darrin Kelley <backflash@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Manson, the POST-goth icon
"Manson" is not heavy metal. He is a shock rocker, and not a very good one.
His "music" lacks the real strength to meet the metal standard. He tries to be
Alice Cooper, KISS or W.A.S.P. and fails utterly because he lacks both the
musical talent and originality to back it up. All "Manson" has is the image.
Now can we get back on topic?
Bob Greenwade wrote:
> At 01:14 PM 1/6/99 -0800, Oscar Tibor wrote:
> >Michael Surbrook wrote:
> >>
> >> IMNSHO: Marlyin Manson should crawl back under his rock.
> >>
> >YES!
>
> While I tend toward a general agreement with this sentiment myself, I've
> been getting an interesting thought as the discussion has centered on the
> discussion of "Manson" (without the first name) as a Goth figure.
> Specifically, in my head I keep hearing a dark, lugubrious, heavy metal
> rendition of "Mmm-Bop."
> ---
> Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
> http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
> Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
> http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/merrhome.htm
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 06:33:46 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
At 11:16 PM 1/6/99 -0500, Badger wrote:
>Several of the Superworld products had both Hero and Superworld stats. I
>think Bad Medicine also might of been one of the couple with Villians &
>Vigilantes also. OF Course if you want solid verification I would have to
>drag my copy out of storage.
I happen to have a copy of Bad Medicine for Dr Drugs, and no, it does
not have V&V stats. (Though you're right that many of the books released
by Chaosium did have V&V as well as Champions and Superworld stats in them.)
- ---
Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/merrhome.htm
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 06:58:28 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Two Questions For the Brits - Reply
At 11:29 AM 1/7/99 +0000, Stephen McGinness wrote:
>Churches are no less hygeinic than the back of a car, and once a baby is
under
>way it is more dangerous to move the mother than to risk the local hygiene.
>
>I'd say a church birth should be possible, especially if it had been a hidden
>pregnancy and the mother refused to believe it possible until the baby really
>was on its way. It may have been frowned upon, imagine if a child was born
out
>of wedlock actually within the confines of a church in the 1950's!!
Actually, with the character in question it would be in the early 1980s
- -- but it still would raise quite a stir, even if it is London's east side
(which I understand is a bit less lower-class these days than a century
ago, though I'm certainly ready to hear on that from you folks who live in
the area).
I'd originally planned on making this a planned birth to a married
couple which happened to come much more suddenly than expected. Since you
mention the possibility of a hidden birth to an unwed mother, though, I'm
giving that some thought; the only thing that really gives me pause is that
it'd almost certainly draw the attention of the international
sensationalist press, and I'm not sure what sort of long-term ramifications
that'd have on the character's development (as an eventual supervillain).
- ---
Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/merrhome.htm
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:31:49 EST
From: Leuszler@aol.com
Subject: Re: Teen Superhero Concepts
In a message dated 1/6/99 8:30:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
griffin@txdirect.net writes:
> Nuts. I thought I could finally quit wondering about this. These may not
> even have been Hero System characters, but they were superhero RPG
> characters. I might have seen them in a back issue of Pyramid (though I
> can't find such an article on the online archive at sjgames) or another
> gaming magazine. I'm sure they were RPG writeups, not comic book
> characters, and I quit reading Animal Man before the series ended, so I
> wouldn't have seen them there.
>
> Damon
Okay, I pulled out my Gurps Supers Wild Cards Book. It lists his wild card
ability is the ability to transform himself into one of five different
"friends" with super identities named after late 60's/ early 70's pop songs.
It lists Captain Trips' other identities as Jumping Jack Flash, Moonchild,
Cosmic Traveller, Starshine, and Aquarius.
Mike Leuszler
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:49:02 -0800
From: david_mckee@FileMaker.COM (David McKee)
Subject: Re: Vehicle Damage and Pilot STUN
Makes sense, however, as a GM I've always understood "inaccessible" to
mean
you have to knock unconcious, or bring the vehicle offline. Even then some
disassembly would be required. Much like a traditional car radio (before
those "easily removable" ones came about).
Since you'd have to obtain complete control of the tank and I'd assume
it'd
take some tools and time to remove the gun, I'd rule it was inaccessible.
I'd say the DEF issue is not relevant (or at least inferior) to the game
effect (in)accessible was meant to discribe.
- -Dave
>>At 02:36 PM 1/5/99 -0800, Wayne Shaw wrote:
>>>>Hardly, a tank gun is hardly an OAF.
>>>
>>>By the vehicle use of the term (an item outside the armor of the vehicle and
>>>which is obvious as the source of the power) I think it's exactly that. A
>>>main gun is composed of steel, but it's not really armor plated, and you can
>>>certainly tell it's the source of the attack. So in what way _isn't_ it an
>>>an OAF? (Remember, Vehicular OAFs do not need to be removeable easily).
>>
>> Whit is your source for that last assertion?
>
>Well, I suppose it depends on your definition of 'easily'. If you read
>the section on 'Equipment' on page 190 of the Hero System Rules, you will
>find the following paragraph as the last one in this section: " It is
>possible to destroy equipment without destroying the vehicle or base wall.
>An Acessible focus (OAF or IAF) is outside the DEF of the vehicle or base,
>and get their DEF from normal foci rules. Inaccessible Foci gets its DEF of
>the vehicle or base plus their own. Obvious Foci are recgnizeable for what
>they are and the function they perform. Inobvious Foci are hidden as part
>of the vehicle or base." In addition, an example of mounted blasters (in a
>base) with the Immobile Focus limitation in addition to the OAF limitation
>is given above. I have to conclude in conjunction that these make it
>unlikely that it's presumed you can simply grab the focus off a vehicle or
>base; the implied uses fit too many things where it clearly just wouldn't be
>possible.
>
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