Digest Archives Vol 1 Issue 207

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Subject: champ-l-digest V1 #207 
 
 
champ-l-digest       Tuesday, February 16 1999       Volume 01 : Number 207 
 
 
 
In this issue: 
 
    Re: blocking the heavy hits 
    Re: Paying END sporadically 
    RE: Paying END sporadically 
    Re: blocking the heavy hits 
    Re: Paying END sporadically 
    Re: blocking the heavy hits 
    Re: blocking the heavy hits 
    Hudson City Sector One -- want it? 
    Re: Paying END sporadically 
    Re: Paying END sporadically 
    Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
    Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
    Hopefully the last word on Happy99.exe 
    Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
    Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
    Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
    Re: Virus (was: Paying END sporadically) 
    Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
    Re: Absorption 
    Re: Happy99.exe 
    Re: Happy99.exe 
    Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
    Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
    Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
    Re: Happy99.exe 
    Re: Happy99.exe 
    Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
 
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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:08:59 -0600 (Central Standard Time) 
From: Tim Gilberg <gilberg@ou.edu> 
Subject: Re: blocking the heavy hits 
 
> even the lightest of touches must *touch*. this guy can shatter your spine 
> with a casual shrug, 
> you ain't diverting him anywhere. 
 
	Then buy the power to not be blocked.  Buy an attack linked to 
your main attack that has the limitation, only when main power is blocked, 
or some such.  Make it AE to get by the block. 
 
	What you are describing is a powerful ability--as such, it should 
be paid for.   
 
	So the debate is over.  Champions simulates blocks just fine, you 
just have to use the entire rules, and not look for shortcuts and 
loopholes. 
 
 
					-Tim Gilberg 
			-"English Majors of the World!  Untie!" 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:37:48 -0600 
From: "J. Alan Easley" <alaneasley@email.com> 
Subject: Re: Paying END sporadically 
 
Filksinger: 
 
>| 2) Outlook does not do this. I know of no email program that does. I 
>| doubt you could find one. 
 
Stainless Steel Rat: 
 
>Early versions of Outlook Express do indeed default to automatically 
>extracting and executing program attachments.  I expect that Microsoft has 
>changed that in more recent versions of Outlook Express due to significant 
>flamage. 
 
Me: 
 
I have been using MS Outlook Express since it was first released as a beta. 
It never automatically opened attachments nor did it have it as an option. 
The predecessor to Outlook Express was called MS Internet Mail.  It didn't 
automatically open attachments either, I don't remember it well enough to 
know if it was an option or not but it wasn't the default condition.  The 
newest version of Outlook Express which is still a beta will automatically 
view a picture attachment but that is all.  The problem for most people 
using Windows or any other GUI system is that simply double-clicking the 
attachment is sufficient to run the program contained in it. 
 
Alan 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:37:28 -0800 
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net> 
Subject: RE: Paying END sporadically 
 
From: Stainless Steel Rat 
 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- 
> Hash: SHA1 
> 
> * "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net> Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:03:44 -0800 
> | 1) Are you unable to grasp the concept that he did _not_ 
> mean that it 
> | ran to install itself on the machine automatically, but only added 
> | itself to emails automatically _after it was run_? 
> 
> That is the nature of viruses.  In fact, that is what 
> distinguishes a virus 
> from a Trojan horse: viruses automatically propogate 
> themselves; Trojan 
> Horses require human intervention.  happy99.exe seems to be 
> a hybrid. 
 
It is a Trojan Horse and a worm. It also backs up the wsock32.dll (for 
easy uninstallation, apparently) and then replaces or alters it to 
perform the "automatic" emailing that the first post referred to. This 
last behavior may make it a virus; it depends upon who you talk to and 
whether or not it replaces or alters the wsock32. I don't know which 
it does. 
 
> | 2) Outlook does not do this. I know of no email program 
> that does. I 
> | doubt you could find one. 
> 
> Early versions of Outlook Express do indeed default to automatically 
> extracting and executing program attachments.  I expect 
> that Microsoft has 
> changed that in more recent versions of Outlook Express due 
> to significant 
> flamage. 
 
Hmm. I used it from the last beta, and never encountered such 
behavior. Doesn't mean somebody wasn't monumentally stupid somewhere. 
 
This may have been part of the browser half of the software. Emails 
technically use the browser to present HTML content. I do know that 
Active X components used to run "automatically" in the browser, and 
then changed to asking permission (with the proviso that you could 
declare the sender "trusted", and any Active X components sent by that 
person ran automatically) when it was demonstrated that Active X was 
more dangerous than Java. 
 
Oddly enough, while I know of a Java virus (harmless in a browser; it 
has to be run outside the "sandbox" to infect a machine), I haven't 
yet heard of an Active X virus. I don't know if this is due to a lack 
of interest in Active X, a weakness in Active X, or a strength of 
Active X. 
 
Eventually, I expect a major part of anti-virus defense is going to 
consist of electronically "signing" every app or component made, with 
the OS checking signatures automatically. This will make viruses 
pretty much obsolete in most cases (except boot-sector viruses, which 
are not hard to inoculate against), though Trojan Horses will still 
work. 
 
Filksinger 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:09:48 +1000 
From: "Lockie" <jonesl@cqnet.com.au> 
Subject: Re: blocking the heavy hits 
 
i like my way better- +X ocv, only to resist blocks. 
 
 
- -----Original Message----- 
From: Tim Gilberg <gilberg@ou.edu> 
Cc: Champions <champ-l@sysabend.org> 
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 8:46 AM 
Subject: Re: blocking the heavy hits 
 
 
> 
>> even the lightest of touches must *touch*. this guy can shatter your 
spine 
>> with a casual shrug, 
>> you ain't diverting him anywhere. 
> 
> Then buy the power to not be blocked.  Buy an attack linked to 
>your main attack that has the limitation, only when main power is blocked, 
>or some such.  Make it AE to get by the block. 
> 
> What you are describing is a powerful ability--as such, it should 
>be paid for. 
> 
> So the debate is over.  Champions simulates blocks just fine, you 
>just have to use the entire rules, and not look for shortcuts and 
>loopholes. 
> 
> 
> -Tim Gilberg 
> -"English Majors of the World!  Untie!" 
> 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: 15 Feb 1999 20:51:01 -0500 
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> 
Subject: Re: Paying END sporadically 
 
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Hash: SHA1 
 
* "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net> Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:37:28 -0800 
| This may have been part of the browser half of the software. Emails 
| technically use the browser to present HTML content. 
 
That is possible. 
 
 
| Eventually, I expect a major part of anti-virus defense is going to 
| consist of electronically "signing" every app or component made, with 
| the OS checking signatures automatically. 
 
*snicker* 
 
Sun and Netscape have been doing this since Day 2 (Day's Navigator has no 
Java VM). 
 
Me, I say use an OS that is inherently immune to infection. 
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- --  
Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>    \ If Happy Fun Ball begins to smoke, get 
Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ away immediately. Seek shelter and cover 
PGP Key: at a key server near you!  \ head. 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:52:57 -0600 (Central Standard Time) 
From: Tim Gilberg <gilberg@ou.edu> 
Subject: Re: blocking the heavy hits 
 
> i like my way better- +X ocv, only to resist blocks. 
 
	Works fine, unless you want to be completely unblockable. 
 
 
					-Tim Gilberg 
			-"English Majors of the World!  Untie!" 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:47:05 -0800 
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net> 
Subject: Re: blocking the heavy hits 
 
>> i like my way better- +X ocv, only to resist blocks. 
> 
>	Works fine, unless you want to be completely unblockable. 
 
I'm not sure such a thing is possible, but inivis effects usually works 
well for that (cant block what you cannot percieve). 
 
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
Sola Gracia		Sola Scriptura		Sola Fide 
Soli Gloria Deo    	Solus Christus		Corum Deo 
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:21:17 -0600 
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net> 
Subject: Hudson City Sector One -- want it? 
 
Well, this is a little embarrassing.  Several days ago someone asked about 
the Hudson City Sector One software.  I said I didn't know anything about 
it, but could tell him where to find it for sale online if he decided he 
wanted a copy. 
 
I discovered today (rediscovered, really) that *I* have a copy, and it's 
evidently been sitting in one of several Games folders on one of my 
lesser-used partitions for a few years now.  You know, locked filing 
cabinet, disused lavatory, "Beware of the leopard", that sort of thing. 
 
Anyway, if it's managed to escape my attention all this time, it goes 
without saying I've got no use for it.  I'll be deleting it from the hard 
drive, and if anyone wants the disks and book, let me know.  Will sell for 
$15 including shipping, or trade for any one RPG game item I need (many of 
these are out of print, but not necessarily hard to locate or expensive; 
ask me for a list of specifics). 
 
Damon 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 01:58:51 -0500 
From: Mathieu Roy <matroy@abacom.com> 
Subject: Re: Paying END sporadically 
 
Stainless Steel Rat wrote: 
 
> Me, I say use an OS that is inherently immune to infection. 
 
Commodore 64? =) 
 
Sorry, couldn't resist... 
 
Mathieu 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 99 10:23:34  
From: "qts" <qts@nildram.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: Paying END sporadically 
 
On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 01:58:51 -0500, Mathieu Roy wrote: 
 
> 
> 
>Stainless Steel Rat wrote: 
> 
>> Me, I say use an OS that is inherently immune to infection. 
> 
>Commodore 64? =) 
> 
>Sorry, couldn't resist... 
 
 
Please excuse me while I call the Fire Brigade... 
qts 
 
Home: qts@nildram.co.uk. 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:27:58 -0500 (EST) 
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com> 
Subject: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
 
So... if I have a character (a 13 year-old girl) with pryokinetic powers, 
and some of these powers tend to go off if she's frightened or startled, 
how would I define this? 
 
Trigger?  <trigger being scared or frightened> 
Side Effect?  <except that Side Effects are vs you, not them...> 
Phys Lim?  <Power X goes off if Y happens> 
Accidental Change? <See Phys Lim> 
A variant of No Concious Control? 
Or just a pre-defined Limited Power? 
 
Any suggestions will be highly appreciated. 
 
- -- 
Michael Surbrook - susano@otd.com - http://www.otd.com/~susano/index.html 
 
          "10,000 of them...four of us.  Those unlucky bastards!" 
                       Andy "the Buffalo" Bartalone 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:28:43 -0500 (EST) 
From: chris@ergmusic.com 
Subject: Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
 
On 16 Feb, I could have sworn that Michael Surbrook said: 
> So... if I have a character (a 13 year-old girl) with pryokinetic powers, 
> and some of these powers tend to go off if she's frightened or startled, 
> how would I define this? 
>  
> Trigger?  <trigger being scared or frightened> 
> Side Effect?  <except that Side Effects are vs you, not them...> 
> Phys Lim?  <Power X goes off if Y happens> 
> Accidental Change? <See Phys Lim> 
> A variant of No Concious Control? 
> Or just a pre-defined Limited Power? 
>  
> Any suggestions will be highly appreciated. 
>  
> -- 
> Michael Surbrook - susano@otd.com - http://www.otd.com/~susano/index.html 
>  
>           "10,000 of them...four of us.  Those unlucky bastards!" 
>                        Andy "the Buffalo" Bartalone 
>  
>  
>  
 
I say either Trigger or a variation on NCC.  NCC would be best if she 
has multiple powers, IMHO.  Sounds like a fun NPC... 
 
- --  
Chris Hartjes 
Web Site Developer 
Entertainment Resources Group 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:56:24 -0800 
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net> 
Subject: Hopefully the last word on Happy99.exe 
 
Apparently, this thing is spreading rapidly in some areas, especially among 
computer professionals. It is very new, which explains why my anti-virus 
didn't catch it (though the latest DAT files from McAfee did). 
 
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2208275,00.html 
 
Apparently, as I appear to be the only one infected, this list handled it 
better than a great many computer professionals. Now I feel embarrassed for 
my entire profession.:) 
 
Filksinger 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:25:19 -0500 
From: Kim Foster <nexus@uky.campus.mci.net> 
Subject: Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
 
At 11:27 AM 2/16/99 -0500, Michael Surbrook wrote: 
>So... if I have a character (a 13 year-old girl) with pryokinetic powers, 
>and some of these powers tend to go off if she's frightened or startled, 
>how would I define this? 
> 
>Trigger?  <trigger being scared or frightened> 
>Side Effect?  <except that Side Effects are vs you, not them...> 
>Phys Lim?  <Power X goes off if Y happens> 
 
I'd say this if the power goes off primarely under "bad" circumstances 
and/or causes the character alot of greif on a regular basis.  
 
EX:Her best friend taps her unexpectedly on the shoulder  and *poof* the 
pyrokinetic ignites her. Stuff like that.  
 
 
 
 
>Accidental Change? <See Phys Lim> 
>A variant of No Concious Control? 
 
Perhaps a lesser value of this limit would fit better. Limited Control 
(-1), the charcter can't turn the power off and on at will, but it it 
generally goes of under certain circumtances (such as being frightened).  
 
 
 
>Or just a pre-defined Limited Power? 
 
This could work as well.  
 
> 
>Any suggestions will be highly appreciated. 
> 
>-- 
>Michael Surbrook - susano@otd.com - http://www.otd.com/~susano/index.html 
> 
>          "10,000 of them...four of us.  Those unlucky bastards!" 
>                       Andy "the Buffalo" Bartalone 
> 
> 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:08:49 -0600 (CST) 
From: Curt Hicks <exucurt@exu.ericsson.se> 
Subject: Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
 
> From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com> 
> To: Champions Mailing List <champ-l@sysabend.org> 
>  
> So... if I have a character (a 13 year-old girl) with pryokinetic powers, 
> and some of these powers tend to go off if she's frightened or startled, 
> how would I define this? 
>  
> Trigger?  <trigger being scared or frightened> 
> Side Effect?  <except that Side Effects are vs you, not them...> 
> Phys Lim?  <Power X goes off if Y happens> 
> Accidental Change? <See Phys Lim> 
> A variant of No Concious Control? 
> Or just a pre-defined Limited Power? 
>  
 
My suggestion is to just make it a limitation on the power, say  around -1/2  
or -1/4. 
 
Curt  
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:01:49 -0500 (EST) 
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com> 
Subject: Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
 
On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Kim Foster wrote: 
 
> At 11:27 AM 2/16/99 -0500, Michael Surbrook wrote: 
> >So... if I have a character (a 13 year-old girl) with pryokinetic powers, 
> >and some of these powers tend to go off if she's frightened or startled, 
> >how would I define this? 
> > 
> >Trigger?  <trigger being scared or frightened> 
> >Side Effect?  <except that Side Effects are vs you, not them...> 
> >Phys Lim?  <Power X goes off if Y happens> 
>  
> I'd say this if the power goes off primarely under "bad" circumstances 
> and/or causes the character alot of greif on a regular basis.  
>  
> EX:Her best friend taps her unexpectedly on the shoulder  and *poof* the 
> pyrokinetic ignites her. Stuff like that.  
 
Yeah, Aaron Allston's old Strikeforce book use this method for a 
character. 
 
>  
> >Accidental Change? <See Phys Lim> 
> >A variant of No Concious Control? 
>  
> Perhaps a lesser value of this limit would fit better. Limited Control 
> (-1), the charcter can't turn the power off and on at will, but it it 
> generally goes of under certain circumtances (such as being frightened).  
 
I've used "Limted Concious Control" (-1) for powers the usercan turn on, 
but can't really control. 
  
> >Or just a pre-defined Limited Power? 
>  
> This could work as well.  
 
- -- 
Michael Surbrook - susano@otd.com - http://www.otd.com/~susano/index.html 
 
          "10,000 of them...four of us.  Those unlucky bastards!" 
                       Andy "the Buffalo" Bartalone 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:58:20 -0800 
From: Mark Lemming <icepirat@ix.netcom.com> 
Subject: Re: Virus (was: Paying END sporadically) 
 
Scott Nolan wrote: 
>  
> At 12:25 PM 2/12/99 -0800, Filksinger wrote: 
> >From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net> 
> >>And this is why you always run a virus checker BEFORE you open any 
> >attachments 
 
> >Did. And it utterly failed to detect the damn thing. I'm getting new DAT 
> >files now. 
>  
> Mine also failed to find it, even when I was looking right at it. 
 
I know the latest NAI scanner catches it.  You can always get an eval version 
from http://www.nai.com assuming our website hasn't gone south recently. 
 
Of course I recognized the name of the exe as well, but then again I get all 
my champs mail on a Linux box.  Too bad the exe was an exact copy of one of 
the samples in the testing lab... 
 
- -Mark 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:20:38 -0600 (CST) 
From: "Dr. Nuncheon" <jeffj@io.com> 
Subject: Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
 
On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 chris@ergmusic.com wrote: 
 
> On 16 Feb, I could have sworn that Michael Surbrook said: 
> > So... if I have a character (a 13 year-old girl) with pryokinetic powers, 
> > and some of these powers tend to go off if she's frightened or startled, 
> > how would I define this? 
 
Doing the HERO version of Charlie from _Firestarter_? 
  
> > Trigger?  <trigger being scared or frightened> 
> > A variant of No Concious Control? 
>  
> I say either Trigger or a variation on NCC. 
 
Hmm...I wouldn't use Trigger.  As I understand it, Trigger lets you set up 
the power, and then when the triggering event happens, it goes off.  Then 
you have to set it up again.  So that doesn't really sound like Trigger to 
me...and besides, Trigger is an advantage, which this certainly is not. 
 
No Conscious Control doesn't seem right either...that's more for powers 
that the user has /no/ control over.  It might be OK for any portions of 
the power that /only/ happen involuntarily - i.e. if she's a more powerful 
pyrokinetic when it's startled out of her than when she's under normal 
circumstances. 
 
Dangit, GURPS has a limitation that does exactly this: I think it's called 
Uncontrolled, I think it's a 40% lim, so that would make it about a -1/2 
in HERO.  (The name is kind of a misnomer...the user can use the power 
normally, but it will also 'use itself' in times of stress...) 
 
Alternately, Accidental Change is an OK way of doing it, but it doesn't 
allow as much fine control as a limitation on the power would. 
 
J 
 
Hostes aliengeni me abduxerent.              Jeff Johnston - jeffj@io.com 
Qui annus est?                                   http://www.io.com/~jeffj 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:10:06 -0800 
From: Mark Lemming <icepirat@ix.netcom.com> 
Subject: Re: Absorption 
 
Dale Ward wrote: 
>  
> Greetings! 
>  
> ---Commando <commando@mail.com> wrote: 
> > 
> > If a character set-up his absorption for the points to go to the strength 
> > characteristic, would the gain also affect figured characteristics? 
> > 
>  
>      I seem to recall seeing something about an advantage Affects Figured 
> Characteristics.  I'm not sure where I saw it or how much of a modifier it 
> called for, but it would seem to be the only way to get the effect you're 
> describing. 
 
There was an advantage called that, but it was for Growth & DI.  It's 
appearance was in the Firebird edition of Golden Age of Champions.  That 
was also pre-4rth edition.  It was a very efficient advantage for low 
levels of DI & growth.  I had never seen it for an adjustment power though. 
 What you could do is buy the absorption to affect a group of characteristics 
(+2 advantage). 
 
- -Mark Lemming 
p.s. Commando, please set your mailer to send text only.  You're e-mail used 
     five times the bandwith it needed to. 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:38:13 -0800 
From: Mark Lemming <icepirat@ix.netcom.com> 
Subject: Re: Happy99.exe 
 
Filksinger wrote: 
>  
> From: Leah L Watts 
> <snip> 
> > (I've been thinking about switching to Juno Gold, which allows file 
> > attachments, but this little episode is making me reconsider ....) 
>  
> You'd be safe. Just don't run _programs_ that get downloaded. When you 
> get a file, do not open it if it ends in .exe, .com, .bat, or .sys. 
> Additionally, do not open Word documents (.doc)if you have Microsoft 
> Word, or Excel files (.xls) if you have Microsoft Excel, unless you 
> have the feature that allows you to disable macros (in which event you 
> disable the macros; macro viruses are the most common of all, and they 
> were only invented about 4 years ago) Files that end in .jpg, .gif, 
> .mpg, .mov, .avi, .wav, .mid, and .mp3, for example, are safe. 
 
I'll agree with Filk's reasoning.  The best thing is not to run attachments 
unless 
you're positive it came from a safe source and that the source meant to send 
you a 
file.  Second best is to get a good AV scanner with frequent updates.  (I'm 
partial 
to Network Associates, but I'm heavily biased. I work in the Unix AV 
development 
area.)  It's best to do both. 
 
Some ISP's are starting to filter their clients mail for virii, but it depends 
on 
the ISP and the service plan.  Even if you have that, it's best not to rely on 
that 
alone. 
 
- -Mark Lemming 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:10:48 -0800 
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net> 
Subject: Re: Happy99.exe 
 
>> You'd be safe. Just don't run _programs_ that get downloaded. When you 
>> get a file, do not open it if it ends in .exe, .com, .bat, or .sys. 
>> Additionally, do not open Word documents (.doc)if you have Microsoft 
>> Word, or Excel files (.xls) if you have Microsoft Excel, unless you 
>> have the feature that allows you to disable macros (in which event you 
>> disable the macros; macro viruses are the most common of all, and they 
>> were only invented about 4 years ago) Files that end in .jpg, .gif, 
>> .mpg, .mov, .avi, .wav, .mid, and .mp3, for example, are safe. 
 
Just so you know, there is a nasty nasty file that is in a JPG that sets up 
a back door, MP3 probably can do it too... because they are compressed 
files and can hatch something when uncompressed, as I understand it. 
 
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
Sola Gracia		Sola Scriptura		Sola Fide 
Soli Gloria Deo    	Solus Christus		Corum Deo 
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:38:28 -0500 
From: Mike Christodoulou <Cypriot@concentric.net> 
Subject: Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
 
At 11:27 AM 2/16/99 -0500, Michael Surbrook wrote: 
>So... if I have a character (a 13 year-old girl) with pryokinetic powers, 
>and some of these powers tend to go off if she's frightened or startled, 
>how would I define this? 
> 
>Trigger?  <trigger being scared or frightened> 
>Side Effect?  <except that Side Effects are vs you, not them...> 
>Phys Lim?  <Power X goes off if Y happens> 
>Accidental Change? <See Phys Lim> 
>A variant of No Concious Control? 
>Or just a pre-defined Limited Power? 
> 
 
 
You might try a variation of the BERSERK disad.  Say, if you fail 
your EGO roll (i.e. you're startled), the GM gets to take over control 
of the power and start burning things. 
 
If you don't like that, my next choice would be a limitation on the  
power based on "No Conscious Control" -- only call it "Sometimes Goes 
Out Of Control". 
 
 
 
======================  ================================================= 
Mike Christodoulou      "Never doubt that a small group of committed  
Cypriot@Concentric.Net   citizens can change the world.  In fact, it is  
(770) 662-5605           the only thing that ever has."  -- Margaret Mead 
======================  ================================================= 
 
------------------------------ 
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:37:33 -0500 (EST) 
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com> 
Subject: Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
 
On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Dr. Nuncheon wrote: 
 
> On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 chris@ergmusic.com wrote: 
>  
> > On 16 Feb, I could have sworn that Michael Surbrook said: 
> > > So... if I have a character (a 13 year-old girl) with pryokinetic powers, 
> > > and some of these powers tend to go off if she's frightened or startled, 
> > > how would I define this? 
>  
> Doing the HERO version of Charlie from _Firestarter_? 
 
Naw, a character from "Phantom Quest Corp" 
   
> > > Trigger?  <trigger being scared or frightened> 
> > > A variant of No Concious Control? 
> >  
> > I say either Trigger or a variation on NCC. 
>  
> Hmm...I wouldn't use Trigger.  As I understand it, Trigger lets you set up 
> the power, and then when the triggering event happens, it goes off.  Then 
> you have to set it up again.  So that doesn't really sound like Trigger to 
> me...and besides, Trigger is an advantage, which this certainly is not. 
 
Yeah, that is my thought. 
  
> No Conscious Control doesn't seem right either...that's more for powers 
> that the user has /no/ control over.  It might be OK for any portions of 
> the power that /only/ happen involuntarily - i.e. if she's a more powerful 
> pyrokinetic when it's startled out of her than when she's under normal 
> circumstances. 
 
"Limted Concious Control at -1 has been bantered about. 
  
> Dangit, GURPS has a limitation that does exactly this: I think it's called 
> Uncontrolled, I think it's a 40% lim, so that would make it about a -1/2 
> in HERO.  (The name is kind of a misnomer...the user can use the power 
> normally, but it will also 'use itself' in times of stress...) 
 
That would be perfect! 
  
 
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:17:39 -0600 
From: "Logan Darklighter" <logand@cyberramp.net> 
Subject: Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
 
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From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com> 
Cc: Champions Mailing List <champ-l@sysabend.org> 
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 2:09 PM 
Subject: Re: Boo! Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
>> 
>> Perhaps a lesser value of this limit would fit better. Limited Control 
>> (-1), the charcter can't turn the power off and on at will, but it it 
>> generally goes of under certain circumtances (such as being frightened). 
> 
>I've used "Limted Concious Control" (-1) for powers the usercan turn on, 
>but can't really control. 
 
 
I like that! A little more definition to it and a couple of examples and 
that would make a really legitimate limitation to include in the next round 
of rules tweaks for Hero. It might be too late for 5th edition now though. 
 
- -Logan 
 
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:54:17 -0800 
From: "Filksinger" <filksinger@usa.net> 
Subject: Re: Happy99.exe 
 
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net> 
 
 
<snip> 
> 
>Just so you know, there is a nasty nasty file that is in a JPG that sets up 
>a back door, MP3 probably can do it too... because they are compressed 
>files and can hatch something when uncompressed, as I understand it. 
 
 
Well, first of all, they aren't truly "uncompressed". The software that 
reads them reads them while keeping them in a compressed form. Secondly, 
only _executables_ can create backdoors, and neither of these formats is an 
executable. If you hid an executable inside one of these formats, the only 
result would be errors. 
 
So far, no credible source has reported a .jpg or .mp3 file that can contain 
a "backdoor" of any sort. Since it shouldn't be possible, and since this 
would be fairly big news if someone could demonstrate success, I doubt that 
it exists. Like people who claim that the PGP encryption can be broken, or 
that viruses can infect you through text email, the people who make this 
claim seem to be unable to present any actual examples to prove their 
claims. 
 
Filksinger 
 
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:37:43 -0500 
From: Michael Feldhusen <mikef@pharlap.com> 
Subject: Re: Happy99.exe 
 
At 01:10 PM 2/16/99 -0800, Christopher Taylor wrote: 
>>> You'd be safe. Just don't run _programs_ that get downloaded. When you 
>>> get a file, do not open it if it ends in .exe, .com, .bat, or .sys. 
>>> Additionally, do not open Word documents (.doc)if you have Microsoft 
>>> Word, or Excel files (.xls) if you have Microsoft Excel, unless you 
>>> have the feature that allows you to disable macros (in which event you 
>>> disable the macros; macro viruses are the most common of all, and they 
>>> were only invented about 4 years ago) Files that end in .jpg, .gif, 
>>> .mpg, .mov, .avi, .wav, .mid, and .mp3, for example, are safe. 
> 
>Just so you know, there is a nasty nasty file that is in a JPG that sets up 
>a back door, MP3 probably can do it too... because they are compressed 
>files and can hatch something when uncompressed, as I understand it. 
 
Sorry, but it's not possible.   
 
Yes, both .JPG and .MP3 (and .GIF and .MPG and a bunch of other files) are 
compressed, but they are compressed DATA. They contain no executable 
instructions for the computer and, if there were some instructions embedded 
in them (I can see it being done), there is no way for those instructions 
to be executed, as the file readers will never branch into them.  Any 
solution that would involve the virus being in the DATA file would also 
have to involve *another* virus to see and make use of the one in the JPG 
or MP3. 
 
Low down:  Compressed files are good, because they take less time to download. 
 
 
 
 
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A man who can't mind his own business is not to be trusted with the 
king's. 
					-- Saville 
 
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:10:06 -0600 
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net> 
Subject: Re: Boo!  Eeeeek!!! ZAP!!! 
 
At 03:38 PM 2/16/1999 -0500, Mike Christodoulou wrote: 
>At 11:27 AM 2/16/99 -0500, Michael Surbrook wrote: 
>>So... if I have a character (a 13 year-old girl) with pryokinetic powers, 
>>and some of these powers tend to go off if she's frightened or startled, 
>>how would I define this? 
> 
> 
>You might try a variation of the BERSERK disad.  Say, if you fail 
>your EGO roll (i.e. you're startled), the GM gets to take over control 
>of the power and start burning things. 
 
That's what I was going to suggest as well.  One campaign I ran used adult 
players, but all the characters were junior high school kids, with 
low-level "mystery" powers just starting to manifest.  My wife's character, 
Poltergeist, was a telekinetic with control problems similar to what you 
describe here.  I used a Limitation based on Berserk because it allowed me 
to define a set of circumstances that would set off the Power, but the 
value of the Limitation was incremented so that as she gained control of 
her abilities, it could be bought off gradually.  Meanwhile, nothing kept 
her from *trying* to use the Power consciously...but the 8- Activation roll 
(gradually brought up to 15- via Bonus XP, applied in secret) made it 
unreliable.  
 
What started off as "Common circumstances, Berserk 14-, Recover 8-" could 
be bought down in any of three different ways, depending on what the 
character did to achieve better control.  If she reached a point where 
fewer things startle her into setting off the TK, Common could be bought 
down to Uncommon.  If all the usual things continue to startle her into 
triggering the TK, but she recovers from it more quickly, 8- can be brought 
up to 11-, and so on. 
 
It's been some time since this game, but I think I decided that since her 
TK was weak enough to make real damage unlikely, and since the 12-year old 
girl had no Combat Levels to apply to the "attack", I ended up basing this 
on Enrage rather than Berserk, for 1/2 normal point value.   
 
To convert the Disad value to a Limitation value...hmmm.  I *think* I 
figured the point value as a Disad (which would have been halved for 
Enrage, if indeed that's what I decided to do), then equated 5 Disad points 
with -1/4, so that a 15-point Disad (Common, Berserk 14-, Recover 8-, * 0.5 
for Enrage Only) would be worth -3/4.  It would then cost the character 10 
XP to drop the Limitation by +1/4, 30 XP over time to buy it off altogether. 
 
Damon 
 
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