Digest Archives Vol 1 Issue 21

Desmarais, John
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champ-l-digest Wednesday, November 4 1998 Volume 01 : Number 021



In this issue:

Re: GURPS: GURPS
Suggested temporary fix (was: Re: META: Problem (really terse))
Re: Breadth vs. Depth
Re: Online Magazine
Re: Mind Link
Re: "Vancian" Magic
Re: Breadth vs. Depth
A Help ?
Re: CHAR: The Commando
Re: Ranged combat manuevers with TK
Re: Hero Creator and Creation Workshop
Re: "Vancian" Magic
Re: Layout questions <mark II>
Re: Where are we all.
Re: Hero Creator and Creation Workshop
Re: Problem with San Angelo: The Port of San Angelo
Re: 1st Edition Fantasy Hero
RE: OIHID
Re: GURPS: GURPS
Re: Breadth vs. Depth
Re: Power Pool Deja Vu
Re: Global Positioning System
Re: GURPS: GURPS
Re: old messages
Re: Expanded gestures and incantations
Re: Did you have to do that?!? (A Question rears it's ugly head)
Re: Looking for Autoduel
Re: Game Preparation / was Need help with plot [long]
Re: Need help with mechanics
Re: That Alta-Vista Translate Page is Great Stuff
Re: Scrapping OCV/DCV?
Re: Everyimmortal skills
Re: Strength (attention, steve long. Reguarding UBO advantage)
Re: CHAR: Triffid
Re: Language Questions
Re: Shameless Plug
Re: Mind Link
Re: Did you have to do that?!? (A Question rears it's ugly head)
Re: GURPS: GURPS
Re: Language Questions
Re: Traveller
Re: Odd Character:Help needed
Re: Hero Creator and Creation Workshop
Re: Anglo-HERO (Re: San Angelo Opinions)

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:12:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Desmarais <johndesmarais@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: GURPS: GURPS

- ---Jesse Thomas <haerandir@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I do, however, believe that GURPS: Mage is an atrocity committed
against
> the GURPS system.

Maybe, but it was probably the best thing that ever happened to Mage.
Mage suffered (more than most) from White Wolf's inability to produce
a clear, cohesive game system. GURPs: Mage actually cleared up a lot
of the annoying ambiguity in the magic system by GURPsifying it.

Personally, I think the reason WW didn't want to have SJG do anymore
GURPs adaptations of their game is that the GURPs versions made more
sense.


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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:32:43 +0000
From: "J. W. Eiler" <jw_eiler@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Suggested temporary fix (was: Re: META: Problem (really terse))

> Yes, there is a problem. No, we haven't figured out what it is yet.

As a suggestion, members of the list may want to "killfile" or sort to a
different folder those messages that are To: <m00bi800@cwcom.net&>

For those of you who don't have a killfile feature (Standard JUNO, etc) I
have no suggestions -- sorry.

(And to think that it was to avoid things like this that I stopped posting
on USENET <g> )


J. W. Eiler

Some die, shouting, in gas or fire,
Some die, silent, by shell and shot.
Some die, desperately, caught on the wire.
Some die suddenly. (This will not.)
Rudyard Kipling -- A Death Bed

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 01:01:23 -0700
From: Rook <rook@infinex.com>
Subject: Re: Breadth vs. Depth

> >> No, WildStrike! is in the New Millennium universe, it's from Hero Games,
> >and
> >> it's all paper and cardstock.
> >>
> >I'm confused now. I thought Wildstrike was Fuzion, not Hero System?
> >
>
> WildStrike! uses the Instant Fuzion rules, which are the same as the Instant
> Hero rules... you can think of this as condensed Hero System combat. It's a
> great way to introduce new players to the game, as well as being a fun combat
> game in its own right.

Ah, it's Fuzion. My point stands. Will there be online Hero convertions
for it?

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:44:42 -0000
From: Chris Lynch <chris@lynch1.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Online Magazine

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Nuncheon <jeffj@io.com>
To: Dave Mattingly <dmattingly@platsoft.com>
Cc: Champions Mailing List <Champ-l@sysabend.org>
Date: 26 October 1998 09:31 PM
Subject: RE: Online Magazine


>On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Dave Mattingly wrote:
>
>> Something I'd like to do, though, is to make a 'Best of' supplement
>> combining some of the best work of Haymaker, HeroZine, Rogues' Gallery,
and
>> Clobberin' Times into one nicely printed and bound issue.
>>
>> Does this sound like something that people would like?
>
>YES yes yes yes yes!
>
>J
>
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>

Put me down for a copy as well !

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:42:14 -0700
From: Rook <rook@infinex.com>
Subject: Re: Mind Link

> >>I'm having a disagreement with my GM about this, and thought I'd as the
> >>list. If there is a definite answer, he agrees to abide by the list
> >>decision.
> >>
> >>Does Mind Link go down when you are unconscious?

Page 57 of both the first printing of the BBB, and the Deluxe with
Heromaker printing both list it as persistant.

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:10:39 -0500
From: Ross Rannells <rossrannells@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: "Vancian" Magic

qts wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:07:41 +1000, Lockie wrote:
>
> >> > > Of course, when the totally insane Beastman Chaos
> >> > >Warrior (anyone recognize that reference?)
> >> >
> >> > Runequest or Warhammer.
> >>
> >> Really? I was thinking of Angband, or rather the Zangband varient
> >> of.
> >>
> >
> >Name one setting that DOESN'T have a totally insane beastman chaos
> >warrior hiding somewhere. ..
>
> AD&D?
> qts
>
> Home: qts@nildram.co.uk.

I think the AD&D Barbarian would fit the description, but then I haven't
played AD&D in more then 12 years so I could be wrong.

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:09:44 EDT
From: HeroGames@aol.com
Subject: Re: Breadth vs. Depth

In a message dated 9/4/98 1:09:32 AM, rook@infinex.com writes:

> Ah, it's Fuzion. My point stands. Will there be online Hero convertions
>for it?
>

No, Instant Fuzion and Instant Hero are the same... as you'll see when the 5th
Edition comes out. As I said, it's a way of presenting condensed Hero System
combat stats (in other words, the basics you need to fight most combats);
we'll be putting Instant Hero into the 5th Edition (which only takes a page or
so, BTW) so that in future books we can present even more NPCs in very brief
format (a la Bay City).

We do plan on putting full Fuzion and Hero System versions of the WildStrike!
characters on the web site at some point (I'm adding them to Bruce's list of
Things To Upload).

- -- Steve Peterson, Hero Games

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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 20:14:18 +0200
From: Black Bishop <BISHOP@bdc2.sirnet.it>
Subject: A Help ?

Hi again folks (yeah I know what r u saying : Look that english it is
terrible (of course I am not american eheh))
Well forgive my bad knowledge of Your language
By the way I am here to ask you a help:

I am starting a campaign in 2020, a Cyberpunk/Dark Champion storyline

but I have VERY FEW material on Dark Champion ( Do you know find Champion's
sourcebooks in italy is very difficult ?)

Could you tell me where I could get informations like Links, weaponlists
and new rules, new ideas and so ?

THANK YOU REALLY A LOT TO THOSE WILL HELP ME !!!!!

(And to Hero Games: please send more sourcebooks here in Italy *LOL*)

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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:15:16 -0700
From: Chad Riley <chadriley01@m7.sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: CHAR: The Commando

David W Toomey wrote: above

> > Most are self explainatory. I decided to limit the
> >Distinctive
> >Features because he can always ditch the cammo and wear civilian
> >clothing
> >if need be.
>
> Then it really *isn't* distinctive features.
>

Well after giving him a hard time I will come to his aid. Sure it is if a
Viper Uni is DF than some nutball running around in cammoflauge with combat
boots and lots of weapons can be DF.



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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:50:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Miq Millman <miq@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: Ranged combat manuevers with TK

Bob Greenwade says:
> I'd allow Martial Arts with TK, with one in-play caveat: the character
> *cannot* use normal Martial Arts with it. He has to develop all of the
> maneuvers himself, or learn them from someone else who knows these special
> telekinetic techniques.

Or go to Tibet and study with the Psi Chi masters...

sorry for the bad pun I couldn't resist.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:34:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: Hero Creator and Creation Workshop

Will Creation Workshop ever be a Macintosh program?

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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 98 07:24:58
From: qts <qts@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: "Vancian" Magic

On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:10:39 -0500, Ross Rannells wrote:

>
>
>qts wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:07:41 +1000, Lockie wrote:
>>
>> >> > > Of course, when the totally insane Beastman Chaos
>> >> > >Warrior (anyone recognize that reference?)
>> >> >
>> >> > Runequest or Warhammer.
>> >>
>> >> Really? I was thinking of Angband, or rather the Zangband varient
>> >> of.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Name one setting that DOESN'T have a totally insane beastman chaos
>> >warrior hiding somewhere. ..
>>
>> AD&D?
>> qts
>>
>> Home: qts@nildram.co.uk.
>
>I think the AD&D Barbarian would fit the description, but then I haven't
>played AD&D in more then 12 years so I could be wrong.

They're neither beastmen nor Chaos nor insane

qts

Home: qts@nildram.co.uk.

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:58:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: Layout questions <mark II>

Whew, keep these comments coming, I'll sort through nd see what fits the
genre. Keep the design hints coming as well, I can use those.

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:13:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: Where are we all.

On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Michael Pegg wrote:

> I've noticed there seems to be quite a few of us here from the UK.
> Where are we all from then?

Laurel Maryland, United States of America

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:14:40 EDT
From: HeroGames@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hero Creator and Creation Workshop

In a message dated 9/10/98 9:34:59 AM, susano@access.digex.net writes:

>Will Creation Workshop ever be a Macintosh program?
>

It's unlikely any time soon. Until the sales of the Creation Workshop get
large enough, it's not cost-effective for us to develop a Macintosh version.
In other words, the cost of development, management and sales would exceed the
revenue from the software until we reach a certain amount of sales, and we're
nowhere near that level. We do know that Creation Workshop works just fine
under Virtual PC on a Macintosh, though.

We'd like to do a Macintosh version, especially since Hero Games is a
Macintosh office (though we have Wintel PC's as well). But there's not enough
sales potential to justify the effort at this time.

- -- Steve Peterson, Hero Games

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:41:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chuk Craig <chuk@mtcc.com>
Subject: Re: Problem with San Angelo: The Port of San Angelo

> True. It's a major geographical feature I'd say. Everything else about
> the city seems easy to accept. I guess I can handle one stretch of
> things. Since it would be possible to do such a thing if you threw in a
> few extra mountains and ripped out a few hundred miles of terrain to
> make way for the river. It just means answers to questions about driving
> to San Francisco or whatever will have to be even more vague than I'd
> assumed; as the city is not just taking up it's own space in it's
> carving out of reality. :)

When I read the San Angelo geographic info, I visualized it as being
about where Fresno is. Just assume that there are a couple of rivers
coming out of the Sierras there, and then assume that they go on to
a delta system like the Sacramento delta, that eventually flows into
the Monterey Bay.

chuk

Chuk Craig
chuk@mtcc.com

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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:31:08 -0500
From: Melinda and Steven Mitchell <mdmitche@advicom.net>
Subject: Re: 1st Edition Fantasy Hero

A friend has had my copy for years, but I still remember a lot 1st ed FH.
"Egads, Stealth costs 5 points." If you have specific questions I'll be
able to help with some.

- ----------
> From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
> To: Champions Mailing List <champ-l@sysabend.org>
> Subject: 1st Edition Fantasy Hero
> Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 7:13 PM
>
> I just picked up a copy of Mythic Greece (a great sourcebook) and have a
> problem...
>
> It uses 1st Ed FH terms. Can anyone tell me waht these are in 4th Ed
> terms?
>
> Thanks, I'd really appreciate it.

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:55:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Dr. Nuncheon" <jeffj@io.com>
Subject: RE: OIHID

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Filksinger wrote:
> I will give you the details.
>
> 18 8d6 EB, Red. by Rng. (-1/4), x3 END (-1); 40 Active
> Points, 18 Real

> 2 m No Red. by Rng. or x3 END on EB; 22 Active Points, 11
> Real
> I would assume that if naked Advantages are forbidden in a
> Multipower, so would the above.

Hm. Well, if I were the GM, I'd allow it. I'm not sure offhand why naked
advantages are not usable in a multipower - probably because you could use
them to duplicate variable advantage on the cheap. As a possible
solution, try this:

Buy 1d6 of EB in the multipower slot. Then also pay the points to buy off
the limitations for the other EB. That way you don't have a 'naked'
advantage lying around - it's tied to the 1d6 EB in the slot.

Hope that helps...

J

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:31:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Dr. Nuncheon" <jeffj@io.com>
Subject: Re: GURPS: GURPS

On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Michael Surbrook wrote:

> I would like to point out that the trend (in the last year or so) is for
> GURPS to do GURPS: "Some Other Game System".

Whoa, did you even read my message? I listed /all/ of the GURPS
adaptations that were in print (i.e. available should you go to SJG right
now and ask to order them), and compared them with the GURPS original
settings.

Since the WW stuff was multiple years ago, the /only/ other game that has
been adapted lately is GURPS Traveller. So how can one book in the past
few years be a 'trend', especially when they've put out original settings
in that time as well?

J

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:29:51 -0400
From: David Stallard <DBStallard@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Breadth vs. Depth

Message text written by INTERNET:HeroGames@aol.com
>WildStrike! has, in addition to color cardstock heroes, two copies of a
set of
customizable character cards (4 different character portraits) and the
accompanying cardstock figures (also customizable). These are gray outlines
that you alter and color in yourself. You can also copy them onto cardstock
to
make more.<

That's great, and I've been waiting anxiously for it to show up, but I
guess it's still about a month away from store shelves?

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:36:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Wong <rook@shell.infinex.com>
Subject: Re: Power Pool Deja Vu

> To begin with, lets start with a strictly legal construct, similar, though
> not identical, to the previous one:
>
> 30 VPP
> 8 Control Cost, OAF Mystic Staff
>
7 not 8.

15/2=7.5 rounds to 7 in Champions (always round in favor on .5's)

> 60 Multipower Pool (120), OAF Mystic Staff
> 6 m 12d6 EB
> 6 m 30" Flight
> 6 m 30 PD, 30 ED Force Field
>
> If it isn't legal, please tell me where it breaks down. If it is legal,
> please tell me how you would design it, if you would design it differently.

These should be 12 each and not 6.
60/5=12.


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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:25:30 -0500
From: Ross Rannells <rossrannells@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Global Positioning System

Egyptoid wrote:

> How would you define this ability for Champions?
>
> GPS satellites let you triangulate your location
> and give a latitude/longitude reading.
>
> Detect Location, OAF hand-unit + IIF Satellites?
> or should you worry about the satellite?
>
> Does GPS give you other knowledge besides your lat/long?
> ==
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> when you walk thru that door;
> don't say you're easy on me, Elliott
> you're about as easy as a nuclear war." Egyptoid
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:35:37 PDT
From: Jesse Thomas <haerandir@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GURPS: GURPS

So, as near as I can tell, based on what has been posted to this list in
two days, SJG has published some 7 adaptations of games in GURPS format.
5 of those adapatations have appeared in the past 5 years. Of the 7, 5
are conversions of non-SJG systems and the rest are not. Oddly enough,
the 5 non-SJG conversions appear to be the same 5 that have been
published since 1993! I don't have my dictionary handy, but that sounds
like a "trend" to me.

I intend no value judgments against recent SJG publishing decisions.
Indeed, I often use the GURPS: Vampire and GURPS: Werewolf books as
comparison when I discuss my reservations about the White Wolf house
system.

I do, however, believe that GURPS: Mage is an atrocity committed against
the GURPS system.

'Nuff said.

Jesse Thomas

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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:45:47 -0500
From: geoff heald <gheald@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: old messages

At 05:16 PM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>At 08:44 AM 11/4/98 -0500, Chuck Badger wrote:
>>did anyone else just get a bunch of email from the list that was from
>>july to august in dates?
>>
>
>Oh good. I was afraid that it was just me.
>
October. Most of it seems to be from october.

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 98 13:47:50
From: qts <qts@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Expanded gestures and incantations

On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 07:03:50 +1000, happyelf wrote:

>
>
>qts wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:51:08 +1000, Lockie wrote:
>>
>> >Shouldn't all this notice-the-gesture stuff be based on a
>> >perception roll bonus?
>>
>> No, the Gestures are supposed to be Obvious, no PER roll needed.

>
>well it seems obvious to me that how noticable they are has a
>bearing on the issue of wether you notice them... And is it really
>that simple? someone else mentioned a figure eight drawn in the air. .
>can't it be taken the other way with things being REALLY noticable, like
>
>from MILES away? Or would that be a side effect. .

Gestures are really ment for heroic campaigns, so it's the immediate
vicinity. Drawing a figure-of-eight in the air doesn't really qualify
as Gestures.
qts

Home: qts@nildram.co.uk.

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 13:17:21
From: qts <qts@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Did you have to do that?!? (A Question rears it's ugly head)

On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:05:52 -0500 (EST), Jason Sullivan wrote:

>On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, qts wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:20:34 -0500 (EST), JASON SULLIVAN wrote:
>>
>> >...I must tempt the fates.
>> >
>> > Followers in a Multipower.
>> >
>> > (Hides from the torch and pitchfork weilding pesants.)
>>
>> NO Way - if you want a 'follower du jour' (qv generic romantic DNPC)
>> then use a VPP - we hashed this out a few months ago.
>
>What makes a VPP (a power framework) more valid than a Multipower
>(a power framework)?

It's very nature - it's a *Variable* Power Pool.

qts

Home: qts@nildram.co.uk.

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:57:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for Autoduel

On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Burleson's wrote:

> I am looking for a copy of Autoduel, any suggestions where to look?
>
> (Be nice)

If you mean Autoduel Champions, I've got a copy... but you can't have it.
^_^

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:56:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Dr. Nuncheon" <jeffj@io.com>
Subject: Re: Game Preparation / was Need help with plot [long]

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Curt Hicks wrote:
>
> What do you mean by 'cut scenes' ?

'Cut scenes' are (at least, these are what /I/ call cut scenes) scenes
that the characters would no nothing about, but are played out or
described the the GM for the benefit of the players. Usually they're used
to establish some piece of information or to provide a bit of character
for the people involved, or to help heighten a mood, etc.

They're the RPG equivalent of the scenes in a movie or book or TV show
that aren't following the main protagonist(s), but are there for the
benefit of the viewers.

J

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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:12:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Dr. Nuncheon" <jeffj@io.com>
Subject: Re: Need help with mechanics

On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, Lisa Hartjes wrote:

> I'm writing up an NPC that has the ability to deflect any magical
> attack/spell cast at him or someone he is protecting. The attacks would
> range anywhere from mystical bolts to curses to "turn him into a frog"
> spells.
>
> Could you help me come up with some ideas on the best way to write this up?

Dispel vs any magic SFX (+1/4) leaps to mind as a strong possibility.
Possibly with limitations like 'only vs. spells targeted at someone other
than the caster (-1/2 or so)'. That way he couldn't dispel the
Necromancer's self-healing, but he could dispel the Rotting Death curse he
was going to throw.

Missile Deflection, any missile, only vs. magic (-1) might work, if he can
only deflect spells that are actually 'thrown' at someone.

J

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:15:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: That Alta-Vista Translate Page is Great Stuff

On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Egyptoid wrote:

> Rata Inoxidable Del Acero
>
> Ratte Des Rostfreien Stahls
>
> Rat D'Acier inoxydable

Told ya.

So, this started out as what? Stainless Steel Rat?

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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:10:07 -0700
From: Rook <rook@infinex.com>
Subject: Re: Scrapping OCV/DCV?

> And if one point per wepon offends you, then charge more. or vary the cost.
> A club might cost 1 cp while a sword might cost two or three to attain
> "proficiency" with it.

Actually, a sword is an easy thing to use. With a couple hours one can
learn how to hit and parry with it as well as one does with their bare
hands. Mind you a true fencer or swordsman is someone with a full
martial art and skill levels who is likely better with the sword than
with their bare hands.
So 1 point to remove the OCV penealty is not unreal.

However, other weapons would make sense at higher costs. Take the
longbow for instance. Or nunchuks.

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:49:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Dr. Nuncheon" <jeffj@io.com>
Subject: Re: Everyimmortal skills

On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Michael (Damon) or Peni R. Griffin wrote:
> At 04:58 PM 8/9/98 +1000, Lockie wrote:
> >
> >why not just use a power modifier? i've been aplying advantage
> >'rarity penalties' and limitation 'common power bonus' modifiers for years.
>
> Uh, because you can't modify Skills this way?

You can with GM permission - Skills are there under (IIRC) 'Special
Powers'. It's even done in an official publication: Ninja Hero (and
presumably TUMA). The ninja 'climbing claws' are bought as bonuses to
Climbing with a Focus limitation. (I can't think of a better way to buy
them, either.)

J

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 06:24:42 -0700
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net>
Subject: Re: Strength (attention, steve long. Reguarding UBO advantage)

>and again, this has nothing to do with the *issue* of knocking somone into
>orbit. I suggested the 'str-vs-hit' idea as a rejoinder to the
'obviously-kb-kills'
>point. I KNOW high strength will kill, but superleap ubo will kill BETTER for
>LESS POINTS.

You think giving someone else the ability to leap a long ways will kill
them? Unless you mean Usable AGAINST others... which no GM would allow,
usable by others allows them to use it, at their discression, it doesnt
force them to. Movement usable against others is Telekinesis (and
teleport, perhaps).

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:46:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Dr. Nuncheon" <jeffj@io.com>
Subject: Re: CHAR: Triffid

On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 HeroGames@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 9/23/98 2:29:22 PM, ratinox@peorth.gweep.net writes:
>
> >Nope. I made that mistake myself. You are remembering something from
> >a
> >previous edition of the game (or remembering my recollection of a previous

> >edition); the fourth edition does not have this restriction.
> >
>
> Champions 4th Edition, page 15: "A character may reduce each and every Primary
> Characteristic below the listed value, but only one Figured Characteristic."
>
> Perhaps not as clearly written as it should be, but you can only sell back one
> Figured Characteristic.

<blink>

We always played it as 'one Figured Characteristic per Primary' (i.e. you
could sell back PD and SPD, but not PD and STUN) - is it 'one and only one
Figured Characteristic, period?' And if so, why?

J

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:43:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: Language Questions

Here is an interesting URL:

http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/

It allows English to French, German, Spanish, Italian and Portugese.
Perfect for developing those names for European super characters.

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:38:42 -0700
From: Jim Dickinson <jdickins@oregonsbest.com>
Subject: Re: Shameless Plug

At 09:31 AM 10/5/98 -0400, Michael Surbrook wrote:
>On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>
>> >I was sent this URL today, by the editor of a Yahoo competitor:
>> >
>> >http://www.newhoo.com/Games/Roleplaying/Hero_Games/
>> >
>> >My website got top billing! (cool!)
>> >

>> (I gotta try to get mine in better position -- which, of course, would
>> mean working on the site a little more often....) :-]

Better position??? You mean that being at the top of the alphabetical list
isn't enough, BOB? ;-)

hehehe...

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:20:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Dr. Nuncheon" <jeffj@io.com>
Subject: Re: Mind Link

On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Trevor Barrie wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Wooly Whumpus wrote:
>
> > Does Mind Link go down when you are unconscious?
>
> It's listed as Persistent, not Instant, so I'd say the canonical answer
> is definitely "no".
>
> Can I ask when and why it would be relevant?

Good point. Hmm...

If Bob were mindlinked to Tom, and Tom went unconscious...

Bob would know this.
Bob would be able to use his mental powers on Tom.

Hmm...I suppose if Bob had an AE mental power, he could center it on Tom
and set it off, hoping to get whoever knocked him out. Tom's already
knocked out, so no big deal there...

J

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 98 00:34:41
From: qts <qts@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Did you have to do that?!? (A Question rears it's ugly head)

On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:05:52 -0500 (EST), Jason Sullivan wrote:

>On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, qts wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:20:34 -0500 (EST), JASON SULLIVAN wrote:
>>
>> >...I must tempt the fates.
>> >
>> > Followers in a Multipower.
>> >
>> > (Hides from the torch and pitchfork weilding pesants.)
>>
>> NO Way - if you want a 'follower du jour' (qv generic romantic DNPC)
>> then use a VPP - we hashed this out a few months ago.
>
> What makes a VPP (a power framework) more valid than a Multipower
>(a power framework)?


Because a VPP is the proper way to model something that's changeable .

qts

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:58:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Wong <rook@shell.infinex.com>
Subject: Re: GURPS: GURPS

> > GURPS Vampire is copyright 1993. Five years ago. I think it was the first
> > adaptation book, it certainly was the first WOD book.
>
> I /think/ Bunnies and Burrows was the first adaptation of another game
> system to GURPS.
>
GURPS Autoduel was the 2nd or 3rd or so worldbook done for GURPS
and was an adoptation of Car Wars into GURPS.
GURPS itself is almost an adoptation of Metagaming's The Fantasy Trip
into something SJ could hold the rights to.
Autoduel was recently (last year or two) given a second edition, but
the first edition was 1986 ot 1987.

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:30:13 -0700
From: Shelley Chrystal Mactyre <scm@mactyre.net>
Subject: Re: Language Questions

At 06:12 AM 10/21/98 -0700, Bob Greenwade wrote:

> Yeah, same here. In fact, I had to run back and look for the post under
>discussion because I'd never seen anything unusual pop up, but there it was.
> (On a tangent: I know the names of most diacritics, like the tilde ~
>and the circumflex ^ for instance, but I forget the name of this one -- the
>double dot over a vowel. Anyone here know it, other than "double dot"?)

It's an umlaut.

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What a shame that the dog is faithful, while a man bites the hand that
feeds him!

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:34:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: Traveller

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Chris Brecken wrote:

> > No RPG was earlier than D&D.
>
> ok,
>
> my travler set has copyright 1977 by GDW
> my space opera is copyright 1980 by FGU
>
> anyone got an origional D&D book to look up there date in.

D&D showed up in 1976. I think Chainmail is from 1975 or so.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:31:39 -0500
From: Chuck Badger <wbandsis@westco.net>
Subject: Re: Odd Character:Help needed

Kim Foster wrote:
> I've been totally stumped on how to work out this this character idea and
> was hoping someone on the list could help. Here goes: The character is a
> baby, as yet unborn. Its in the 8th month and already posseses a highly
> developed mind and an impressive portfolio of psionic powers including
> telepathy, powerful Mind Scan and teleportation abilites (it of course,
> carries its mother along when it teleports). Its mother has some limited
> psionics as well and is a fully indepentent being, quite aware of her
> child's strange nature but not controlled by it in anyway. Just how would
> you go about building this character, taking into account its current state.

which is th pc? You could do up the adult as the "hero" and the baby as
a dependent/follower. I would definitely use the follower rules since
the baby is giving the mother abilities beyond her own.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:33:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: Hero Creator and Creation Workshop

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 HeroGames@aol.com wrote:

> Cthulhu Creator

Does anyone else get a real bad mental image at that, or is it just me?

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 03:20:49 -0700
From: Rook <rook@infinex.com>
Subject: Re: Anglo-HERO (Re: San Angelo Opinions)

> >>-> > Anyone know any hardcore Catholic superheroes?
> >>-> >
>
> If I remember right, about eight or ten years ago, there was a comic called
> "Evangline" (I think). The main hero was a nun who went around killing off
> enemies of the church, or something to that effect.

Yeah I used to read that. I think it was set in a post collapse world
or something like those Car Wars type worlds.
Been years since I even thought of that title though.

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