Digest Archive vol 1 Issue 267

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champ-l-digest Thursday, April 8 1999 Volume 01 : Number 267



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Send the PDF here.
Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props
Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props
Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props
Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props
Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props
Spooooon!
Re: Spooooon!
Re: Spooooon!
Re: Spooooon!
Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props

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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:05:37 PDT
From: "Jason Sullivan" <gegethesmane@hotmail.com>
Subject: Send the PDF here.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure if the person who send the *.PDF file to
my RAVANOS account also sent it to me TheMadHarlequin.

If he or she did, I didn't receive it at TheMadHarlequin (probally
because my account has an undo ammount of data "girth.")

If you could, please send it to this account.

...and who says technology is a hassle. :)

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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 16:12:55 -0500
From: Bill Svitavsky <bsvitavsky@mln.lib.ma.us>
Subject: Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props

At 12:58 PM 4/7/99 PDT, Jack Scarecrow wrote:
>You can also have standard front/back minatures, and tri fold
>minatures (60, 120, 180; common to Marvel Role Playing Game).
>
>> Mostly out of curiosity, what do you mean here by "60, 120, 180"?
>
>/_\ 60 degree angle, 120 degree angle, 180 degree angle. For Heroes,
>diagonal profile, diagonal profile from the other side, and back, or
>for Villians, front, diagonal profile from the back, and diagonal
>profile from the other side of the back.
>

I wouldn't want to make such an obvious distinction between heroes and
villains. It would ruin all those traditional moments when heroes first
meet, don't recognize each other, and start fighting, and those occasions
when the heroes get suckered by a charming villain. Besides, I have plenty
of NPC's (and a few PC's) who can't be reduced to either category.

- - Bill Svitavsky

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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:35:59 -0700
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props

At 12:58 PM 4/7/1999 PDT, Jack Scarecrow wrote:
>You can also have standard front/back minatures, and tri fold
>minatures (60, 120, 180; common to Marvel Role Playing Game).
>
>> Mostly out of curiosity, what do you mean here by "60, 120, 180"?
>
>/_\ 60 degree angle, 120 degree angle, 180 degree angle. For Heroes,
>diagonal profile, diagonal profile from the other side, and back, or
>for Villians, front, diagonal profile from the back, and diagonal
>profile from the other side of the back.

So basically, you really mean 60, 180, and 300 degree angles around the
circle, then? OK. :-]
- ---
Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/merrhome.htm

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:48:00 -0400
From: "Michael Sprague" <msprague@eznet.net>
Subject: Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props

>> Conseequently, would anyone know the minature "scale" ratio for
>>human to standard RPG minature?
>>
>
>I used to know this. Now, most "25mm" figures are really 30mm tall (I have
>some real 25mm and they're about HO scale). A standard American is 6 feet
>tall (or darned close to it), so 30mm represents 6'. 6'=1.83 meters,
>183cm, or 1830mm. Roughly 1/61 scale.


Actually, I believe the average American male is around 5' 10", not 6'. :-)

A 25mm figure is slightly larger in scale than HO scale, but it is smaller
than 1/61. Off the top of my head, 25mm is 1/72 or 1/76 scale, but I can't
remember which. Note that a 25mm figure should be approximately 25mm from
bottom of boots to the eyes. That is how figures are measured. This comes
from the days where miniatures were used only for tabletop war games. The
soldiers had all sorts of hats, and so the standard was size was based on
boot bottoms to eyes, taking the hidden top of the head out of the equation.

I agree that many miniatures sold today are closer to 30mm than to 25mm. I
believe the correct scale for Hero (1" = 2m) should be closer to 23mm,
though it has been a while since I messed with this. :-)

~ Mike

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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 19:31:06 -0700
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props

At 07:48 PM 4/7/1999 -0400, Michael Sprague wrote:
>>I used to know this. Now, most "25mm" figures are really 30mm tall (I have
>>some real 25mm and they're about HO scale). A standard American is 6 feet
>>tall (or darned close to it), so 30mm represents 6'. 6'=1.83 meters,
>>183cm, or 1830mm. Roughly 1/61 scale.
>
>
>Actually, I believe the average American male is around 5' 10", not 6'. :-)
>
>A 25mm figure is slightly larger in scale than HO scale, but it is smaller
>than 1/61. Off the top of my head, 25mm is 1/72 or 1/76 scale, but I can't
>remember which. Note that a 25mm figure should be approximately 25mm from
>bottom of boots to the eyes. That is how figures are measured. This comes
>from the days where miniatures were used only for tabletop war games. The
>soldiers had all sorts of hats, and so the standard was size was based on
>boot bottoms to eyes, taking the hidden top of the head out of the equation.
>
>I agree that many miniatures sold today are closer to 30mm than to 25mm. I
>believe the correct scale for Hero (1" = 2m) should be closer to 23mm,
>though it has been a while since I messed with this. :-)

Are you guys measuring from the bottom of the base, or the soles of the
feet?
- ---
Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/merrhome.htm

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:26:23 EDT
From: ErolB1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props

In a message dated 99-04-07 03:43:27 EDT, gheald@worldnet.att.net writes:

> > Conseequently, would anyone know the minature "scale" ratio for
> >human to standard RPG minature?
> >
>
> I used to know this. Now, most "25mm" figures are really 30mm tall (I have
> some real 25mm and they're about HO scale). A standard American is 6 feet
> tall (or darned close to it), so 30mm represents 6'. 6'=1.83 meters,
> 183cm, or 1830mm. Roughly 1/61 scale.

The scale *was* 1/72 (25mm = 6 feet) some mumble mumble years ago when I
first got into gaming. Then "inflation" struck as various sculptors made
their 25mm figures 'just a little bigger' to make them look better.

Now, according to a source of mine with old & deep connections in the gaming
& miniatures hobbies, the current official standard for "25mm" figures is
25mm from the soles of the feet to eye level of an 'average' person: 1/66
scale or 25mm = 66 inches (5'6").

I have a few fantasy figures made to the 'old' 25mm scale (anyone remember
Martian Metals?) but most of mine are in the 'new' scale.

Erol K. Bayburt
Evil Genius for a Better Tomorrow

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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 23:21:00 -0500
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net>
Subject: Spooooon!

Pulsar Games is talking with NEC Comics about putting out a roleplaying
game based on The Tick. At last, characters that would make no sense
anywhere else can have a home. I want it already...

Damon

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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 22:55:31 -0700
From: Mark Lemming <icepirat@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Spooooon!

Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote:
>
> Pulsar Games is talking with NEC Comics about putting out a
> roleplaying
> game based on The Tick. At last, characters that would make no sense
> anywhere else can have a home. I want it already...

We're not here to stop evil, we're here to fight evil! -Tick

Sounds cool. Having loved the comic ever since I first saw it, back
when I still bought comics. That comic is my only regret of not
buying comics anymore. (See, if I go into a comic store, I'll
just want to get the Tick. After a while I'll wind up buying
Secret Crisis Wars of Infinite Boredom as well. Cold Turkey is
better.)

- -Mark Lemming

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 05:13:07 -0700
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Spooooon!

At 11:21 PM 4/7/1999 -0500, Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote:
>Pulsar Games is talking with NEC Comics about putting out a roleplaying
>game based on The Tick. At last, characters that would make no sense
>anywhere else can have a home. I want it already...

Me too. My only regret is that it isn't GRG that's producing it.
- ---
Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/merrhome.htm

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 07:25:33 -0500
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net>
Subject: Re: Spooooon!

At 05:13 AM 4/8/1999 -0700, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>At 11:21 PM 4/7/1999 -0500, Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote:
>>Pulsar Games is talking with NEC Comics about putting out a roleplaying
>>game based on The Tick. At last, characters that would make no sense
>>anywhere else can have a home. I want it already...
>
> Me too. My only regret is that it isn't GRG that's producing it.

Pulsar is in negotiations with NEC, that's all. Perhaps if Mark were to
make them an offer they couldn't refuse... :)

This would call for a product line different from San Angelo's, though
perhaps familiar in some ways --

The City: City of Justice
Naughtyspawn: Evildoers of The City
The Chinese Laundry Sourcebook
Mystic Order of Arachnid Vigilance (organization book)

Damon

Hug your destiny!
-- The Tick

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:06:34 -0400
From: "Michael Sprague" <msprague@eznet.net>
Subject: Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props

>>I agree that many miniatures sold today are closer to 30mm than to 25mm.
I
>>believe the correct scale for Hero (1" = 2m) should be closer to 23mm,
>>though it has been a while since I messed with this. :-)
>
> Are you guys measuring from the bottom of the base, or the soles of the
>feet?


Soles of the feet (or bottom of the boots, as I put it in my post).

~ Mike

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