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champ-l-digest Thursday, November 5 1998 Volume 01 : Number 031



In this issue:

Re: Expanded gestures and incantations
Re: MUCH-OVERUSED FANTASY RPG CLICHES
Re: GURPS: GURPS
Re: Anglo-HERO (Re: San Angelo Opinions)
RE: something still odder
Re: OFF TOPIC: Software Upgrade (was: Re: Would anyone like to see PCs posted)
RE: Everyimmortal [Dr. Nuncheon]
Re: Favorite NPC's
Re: Look Out! It's Mr. Fist! (SFX: Multi-SFX Gauntlets)
Re: Possession?
Re: Combat Skill Level
Re: home grown
Re: Anglo-HERO (Re: San Angelo Opinions)
Re: TK in the USA
Re: Automatons
Re: metal armour
Re: Expanded gestures and incantations
Re: Expanded gestures and incantations
Re: Old Email showing up again from list
Re: Expanded gestures and incantations
Re: something odder
Re: Star Trek Campaigns (was Re: Howdy!)
Re: Blade

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 05:02:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Jason Sullivan <ravanos@njcu.edu>
Subject: Re: Expanded gestures and incantations

On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, qts wrote:
> >Cannot Move In Phase When Power Is Used (-1/4) for especially cumbersome
> >spells where upon failure could result in a disasterous result.
>
> That's just Extra Time: Full Phase
The character, if trying to make a half-move before using a power
with this Limitation, or taking KB or KD in the same Phase before he gets
to use his power, he should suffer substantial minuses to hit his target
(at least -3), and at the GM's option, may even be injured with his own
attack.

> >Cannot Use Targeting With Spell (-1/2) for speels that are so complex,
> >their casting takes precidence over aiming.
>
> How is this actually a limitation? If it's an attack spell, you need to
> target it; if it isn't you don't.
The character cannot "call shots" against hit locations or
otherwise try to hit one specific location or target.

> >...and the ever popular Restrainable (-1/2) for spells that require
> >complex but easily restrainable somantic components.
> Oh no, that's plain Gestures.

Actually, for the cost, Restrainable is a much more cost efficent Lim.
Gestures indicates that you would need to make obvious gestures, the power
will not work if grabbed, the power will not turn on if attacked during
gesturing, -1/4 for turing on, or -1/2 for constant. Restrainable is not
necessarily obvious, does noy work (normally) if grabbed or entangled, but
may be used if attacked. Restrainable may also be used as part of the
attack roll, unlike Gestures.
Any advice on how to clarify this?
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:06:53 -0500
From: Guy Hoyle <ghoyle1@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MUCH-OVERUSED FANTASY RPG CLICHES

On 8/10/98, at 5:25 PM, B.C. Holmes wrote:

>Guy Hoyle wrote:
>>
>> On 8/10/98, at 8:16 AM, Rob Davenport wrote:
>> >But then that brings up the issue of
>> >how best to have players know what their PCs know - "expository lumps"
>>
>> >of text handed out when starting the character or game; note on slips
>> of
>> >paper during the game; rumors etc. heard from NPCs and being told "you
>> >remember having heard that as a child".
>>
>> If you can work it in as NPC knowlegde imparted to players during the
>> course of play, that's preferable.
>
> In a writer's group that I belong to, this is known as the "As you know
>Bob" device, when handled particularly badly. Basically, one character
>quips up, "Well, as you know, Bob, faster-than-light travel has been
>around since the late 21st Century... ever since we first encountered
>the Xoxoll Empire!"

Ewgh. Truly bad. Absolutely deplorable.


>> All the other methods you mentioned above work when something
>> unexpected comes up.
>
> Depending on the information, sometimes I use scene flashbacks.

Flashbacxks are used far too infrequently in RPGs. I think there's a tremendous potential going to waste here.

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:03:04 -0700
From: Darrin Kelley <backflash@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: GURPS: GURPS

thomas deja wrote:

> Conidering that I'm willing to bet that the GURPS licensed stuff allows
> SJG to do original stuff (you wanna bet GURPS: Vampire outsold all the
> Illuminiati and Voodoo and Atomic horror, etc...combined?), why are we
> so down on it? It's like the comic company Dark Horse doing Star wars
> books to allow it to do obscure mangas and Andrew Vacchs
> adaptions--doing these adaptions frees them up to do stuff SJG wants to
> do.

HEY! Don't be slamming Dark Horse!

I am the one first to admit that Dark Horse built itself on Licensing.
Mike Richardsen, the owner and publisher and owner, is also one of the first
to admit it. They found a niche in the comic book industry and laid claim to
it, with very little serious opposition Licensing and tie-ins with movies and
other material does make a whole ton of money. And they have devoted a
tremendous amount of resources to it.

But this also allows them to print their own original material. In fact,
much of the movie tie-ins are actually original material. And then there are
their own original characters and booksl. No, that section of their line does
not sell as much as the tie-ins. But it does give them a strength that pretty
much will keep them going with no threat to their stability. They have the
ability to experiment very well and still remain at the top of the industry.

Comparing Dark Horse and SJG is something I don't believe is apropriate.
They operate completely differently when to comes to licenses material. Dark
Horse produces entire lines of new stories and new material based on the movie
tie-ins. SJG just adapts the existing material and goes no further.

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:33:24 -0700
From: Rook <rook@infinex.com>
Subject: Re: Anglo-HERO (Re: San Angelo Opinions)

> >> Over the past several years, DC has been systematically revising
> >> histories of their characters, replacing conventional religious symbols
> >> with "Lords of Order" and such.
> >
> > On the other hand the current Supergirl comment involves her having a
> >very christian guardian angel.
>
> Interesting! I didn't know about this, having pretty much ignored
> "Supergirl" since DC killed her off and replaced her with that Matrix
> creature. I'll have to go grab a few back issues and have a look.

I've been trying to find an excuse to collect the title for months now;
but each time I open a copy at a comic store I end up dissapointed.
However I know that the current issue; which I think was #25, had a
little kid who was actually an angel going around and making sure one of
DNPC's stayed christian. Or something like that. It could have been
anywhere from 18-28 though. Issues 18 up to current are still on the
racks at the local store and I flip through them when I'm bored on my
lunch hour and trying to find a new comic to collect. As yet I haven't
been able to justify the title as the writing is not in the tastes I
prefer.

Besides I can't stand it when people use comics to push a religious
agenda.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:36:21 -0600 (CST)
From: "Dr. Nuncheon" <jeffj@io.com>
Subject: RE: something still odder

On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Brian Wawrow wrote:

> > by the time we buy Galactus's ability to transform people into
> > heralds, were paying 45+ points per dice, because it's ranged,
> > plus other limits or advants. If we pair that cost with an active
> > point limit, suddenly this puts a new perspective on abuse, I feel.
> >
> Sure. Buying a Major Transform to crank up someone's ability is
> expensive. That's beside the point on the question of abuse. To me, this
> is openning up a huge can of worms. So you take MT human being into any
> high powered freak. You buy 1 die cummulative. It takes extra time,
> concentration an immobile focus, eat the baby, yatta yatta yatta, next
> thing you know, you've spent 4 points and it takes you all day to turn
> your buddy into a high powered mutant freak. If there's no mechanism in
> place to regulate how tough the freak is, you've lost all sense of scale
> and balance in your campaign.

True. Maybe you need to reach a certain level of effect (over and above
the Transform level) to add a certain number of points.

Alternately, talk your GM into allowing it as an Aid to powers the target
doesn't have. Aid (Cosmic Power Pool), fade rate of a century or so, at
the proper levels (+umpteend6) might do it.

> I'd accept this MT with higher points concept if the power cost,
> say 1pt. extra for every 5pts. you were going to add to your target.

I seem to recall that one of the HEROguys said that Transform was going to
change in 5th Ed, and you were going to have to pay more points if you
were transforming something into something more useful - maybe that will
address this problem?

J

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:38:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Wong <rook@shell.infinex.com>
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Software Upgrade (was: Re: Would anyone like to see PCs posted)

> > It's at:
> > http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Portal/1865/BrightFuture.html
> >
> > for those who don't believe me or are curious. It's a Champions PBeM
> > I play in set in the CNM universe but under 4th edition. Won't load
> > under IE 3.0 or lower though (needs netscape 3.0, or IE 4.0) due
> > to a script I put in that crashes on old IE browsers. But then, there's
> > no valid excuse to not upgrade anyway. What with free software and
> > all...
>
> <rant>
> Of course there's a reason not to upgrade. IE 4.0 has a MUCH large installation size
> than IE 3.0., and, if this can be imagined, is even less stable (same for NS 4 vs NS 3).
> </rant>
>
(rant)
DOS is more stable than windows. However Netscape 4.0.5 is more stable
than 3.0, runs all the modern languages, and is smaller than 4.0, though still
larger than 3.0; simply due to the number of real and usable features.

Given that; There's no reason to hold back design on the web for those
few who insist on obsolete programs. Besides, even for the ludite crowd ( :) )
there's NS 3.0 which does run most modern languages, and doesn't crash on those
it can't run.
(/rant)

To bring this back to Champions...

Um... hmmm...
Well, anyway.

For those who want to put up sites with their characters, the free
websites make a very good option. Especially since many of them will never
expire as far as I know.
I may or may not move my fantasy hero site over to my geocities site
when I go public with it.

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:54:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Dr. Nuncheon" <jeffj@io.com>
Subject: RE: Everyimmortal [Dr. Nuncheon]

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Michael (Damon) or Peni R. Griffin wrote:
> >In a modern game, I might be tempted to either make 'archaic/obsolete'
> >skills cost less by fiat, or to offer a Skill Enhancer to do the same:
> >
> >Archaic: 3 pts.
> >The 'Archaic' skill enhancer reduces the cost of skills that are no longer
> >useful parts of daily society. It can reduce the costs of Professional
> >Skills, Area Knowledges, Languages that have changed significantly from
> >that time period to modern day, and any other skill the GM deems to be
> >'Archaic' or 'obsolete'.
> >Possessed by: Immortals, dedicated recreationists
> >
> >This would help the Immortal character a lot - it'd let him buy Languages,
> >old PSes, AKs, etc at a discount rate. I might even stretch the rules a
> >bit and let him pick up some 8- skills for 'free' using this.*
>
> Here again I have to ask how this is significantly different from what I've
> been talking about with tailored ES lists; if you "stretch the rules a bit"
> and give a character a few 8- skills free, doesn't that have the same
> effect as my giving out a few additional AKs, PSs or TFs in the ES list?

Well, in this case, they're at least paying /something/ for them.
Although in general I favor the second method:

> I did like the idea of 2 FAMs for 1 point under the Archaic Skill Enhancer,
> though.

...which I would also apply to all other Skill Enhancers. I might up the
cost of the Enhancer to 5 points to cover this - but if you've got plenty
of skills of a given type, it's certainly worth it.

J

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:25:57 -0700
From: Shelley Chrystal Mactyre <scm@mactyre.net>
Subject: Re: Favorite NPC's

At 01:29 PM 8/7/98 -0400, Bill Svitavsky wrote:
>When we reminisce about that old game, my friends and I will inevitably
>bring up Col. Taine - he's practically an old friend.
>
>Anybody else care to share accounts of favorite NPC's?

I think the NPC that shocked me when the PCs took to him was the Golden
Avenger, in my "Hudson Hawks" game. I'd designed DJ Johnson as the
consummate nice guy, but I really wasn't having him show up much. I will
admit they were quite skeptical in the beginning, especially since this was
the first time he'd been introduced as the "new" Golden Avenger. While his
power level was lower than theirs on average, his perks and skills made him
easily a hundred points over the PCs, and I was very sensitive to that fact
- -- I wanted the game to be about them, not him. I certainly didn't want
the game to involve PRIMUS showing up all the time to bail them out!

I'm not entirely sure when in that campaign he became accepted -- but all
of a sudden, DJ was getting dinner invitations to the PCs' houses, being
set up with female friends, called for advice, invited to the secret base
to hang out, and when the PCs discovered some really nasty things about
PRIMUS, they called him first. The AI in their base still has a crush on
him. =)

They do become old friends, you're very right.







Shelley Chrystal Mactyre
http://www.mactyre.net

A flung stone has always been a fool's favorite means of putting himself on
a level with the wise.
- -- Edgar Pangborn

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:27:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Jason Sullivan <ravanos@njcu.edu>
Subject: Re: Look Out! It's Mr. Fist! (SFX: Multi-SFX Gauntlets)

On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Bob Greenwade wrote:

> While reasonable from the standpoint of logical construction, by the
> time you're doing this it's a fairly complex Power for something that's
> going to be used as the character's primary attack. Having VSFX is plenty,
> but also adding VA with various Limitations means that a number of checks
> and decisions will have to be made each time it's used.
> It's up to the GM, of course, but that's how I see it.

Being the GM and all, when conceptualizing Mr. Fist, I thought of
giving him Variable Advantage in addition of VSFX to simulate the various
possible effects he could acheive with the gauntlets. In addition, I then
thought of slapping on Variable Limitations, for appropiate situations in
which the power would be ineffective (such as a flame fist under water).
I finally realized that this would be too complex, and in my
attempt to make a verisitle Mr. Fist, I was really just causing myself too
many headaches. Mr. Fist is quick and dirty, and his 'danger' lies in the
fact that he can do additional 'stuff' like suddenly set a building on
fire with a Flame Hand, or electrocute a hostage with a thought, or form
wrecking ball type globes on his knuckles for bashing down a wall. Too
many advantages and limitations would bog it down a tad.

There is always a possibility of a VPP being developed for 'drill
fists' (tunnling) or 'climbing hooks' (for climbling), or even limited
distance attacks, such as 'the old electric fist' (EB, only along metal),
and other such effects that surpass the limits of minor SFX. Though that
dosen't solve the advantage problem...

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:30:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Douglas Uptegraft <s002cdu@discover.wright.edu>
Subject: Re: Possession?

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, James Jandebeur wrote:

> One way to get the other effect, which requires GM Fiat to work, is to
> define the target's mind as another dimension, which you just dimensionally
> move into while the mind control is operative. When they break out, you pop
> back out. 40 points of dimensional movement, for various minds.

You might be on to something there, James.

How about making the MC Transdimensional and giving the character a Linked
Extra-Dimensional Movement to a "pocket dimension" that is EXACTLY
parallel to the Earth Dimension (sort of like an astral plane or
something)? One could even limit the E-DM to only working if such-and-such
a level of MC is in effect (making the power Uncontrolled by the PC?)....

It would take some work between the player and the GM, though....

> Karma, unlike Jericho, is just Mind Control, though. You probably need
> Continuous on it to be able to give different orders each phase, like you
> said, which is a bit of a pain.

You think that would work? I would also think that the MC would have to be
successful at like the maximum level possible the first time to establish
the possession. That might be a Limitation on the Power.

Thanks. *Smiles*

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:14:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: miq@teleport.com
Subject: Re: Combat Skill Level

JayPHailey@aol.com says:
>
> << I was talking with one of my gamers last night, when he brought up a
> topic to me that I had been thinking of earlier in the day. Can you purcahse
> CSL's for ECV? >>
>
> JPH> As a GM I'd say yes, but at 8 points per level.
>
> BG> Why at 8 points per level, when one can still get an 8-point level with
> BG> All Combat that would still apply to ECV?
>
> Because It's so unusual and rare that it would tend to screw up my carefully
> balanced mentalists. So I am going to make you *pay*!!!! </crazy mode>
>
> But that's just it. I shave half dice to give evil mentalists just the right
> percentage of getting the effect on the usual PCs. If PCs start turning up
> able to change thier own personal balances like that then it will have a
> relatively big effect on my b'guys and games.

This is your house rule, hardly canonical. Just because it works in your
campaign, doesn't make it universal.

Aside: were you the one that played Mental combat as being able to ignore
the physical world--creating fantasy landscapes and whatnot while in the
physical world the combatants were motionless (and thus DCV 0)? If so, its
not wonder you have a "mental block" (pun intended) to using all combat
levels for either dcv or decv (or ocv or ecv for that matter)
interchangably. Of course being non standard, should mean that it doesn't
necessarily apply to the rest of the world.




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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 06:16:27 -0700
From: Darrin Kelley <backflash@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: home grown

Christopher Taylor wrote:

> >So how many people on the list DO run or play in "published settings" rather
> >than making it up yourself ? Personally, I've always played 'home-grown'
> >although with elements picked from Hero products, Marvel and DC.
>
> I use something similar, with enough differences to keep players on their
> toes. The full writeup isnt ready yet, but my house rules are at
>
> www.viser.net/~joelat/herostuf.htm

I looked at your house rules, and all I have to say is: DAMN!

I thought the trend in Hero System games of creating house rules that were
basically a rewrite of the Hero System Rulebook was not as much of a wide-spread
practice. But yours convinced me otherwise.

My own set of house rules are about as large. But I did nopt go to the depth
and breadth you did. It seems that you have rulings on practically every power,
skill, advantage, limitation, framework, and even most of the combat system. This
is very extensive. Horrendously extensive. I have seen 3 cases where this level
of exteniveness has actually been done. Mine, yours, and a case in the old days
of Red October where someone actually literally rewrote the rulebook for their
campaign.

This is personal opinion: Any game that takes this type of effort to actually
make playable in a group setting has something severealy wrong with it. A GM
should never have to go to these lengths to make a game system playable.

I make jokes constantly that my house rules could be a game supplement of its
own. Well the joke is actually true. And jusdging from what I saw on your
website, yours fall into that same catagory.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:55:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Jason Sullivan <ravanos@njcu.edu>
Subject: Re: Anglo-HERO (Re: San Angelo Opinions)

On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Michael Nunn wrote:

> When I created the Super team Rising Force for Herozine, I tried to go
> against as many stereotypes as I could. The team leader and Martial Artist,
>
<snippage>
>
> Eclectic? you bet, diverse? you bet, the first letter I got about them said
> "This bunch could never work together."
>
> What do you think?

There is something to be said about 'too much' diversity. If your
limiting the adventure to a certain geographic area where the character
types are all drawn from said area, you mighty be delving into a problem
dealing with the plausibility of said team ever existing with those
'types.' Also, even if all those types of people did exist within said
geographic area (it could happen in a big metropolitan city), would they
actually -want- to work together. Differing personal philosophies dealing
with evey thing from religion to government to how to deal with criminals
could be dividing factors in a team. Of course, if ths is a 'world
spanning' campagin, if the characters are drawn together to fight a
mysterious enemy, or something that effects each of their lives, you're
giving them a unified purpose, in which case it would be mutally benefical
to work as a team.

Just as a side note, putting in a buch of different flavors in a
superhero sundae can be just as unrealistic as having cookie cutter
flavors of the month. There is somthing to be said for ambigious
cultural identity, race, sexuality, and even gender. In fact, if everyone
has a 'label' it does less in defining them as individuals and more to
make them into icons that people can harp on as an 'examplar' of <insert
race here>.

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:15:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: TK in the USA

On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Jason Sullivan wrote:

> Two tedious TK things to take time thinking about (help me define these):
>
> There was a construct for TK in a previous edition that let you
> 'animate' things, such as vines, rope, etc. Can someone please help me
> with the mechanics and the name of said construct?

It was called "Animate Object" and was a -1/2 lim on your TK. Basically
it let you only use your TK to manipulate objects around you and you could
only move an object up to your TK STR. Thus, you could move ropes, or
rugs or curtains or animate a chair or a lamp or something. At really
high levels you might be able to animate a car or an earthmover.

> I don't have TU Mentalist, yet there is a power called
> Psychokenesis that differs significantly from normal TK. How,
> mechanically, does it differ from normal TK and is it specifically only
> meant for Mentalist campagins.

Steve Long is on this list, if you direct your question to him directly
(put his name in the header) he can answer this best.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:45:42 -0500
From: Ross Rannells <rossrannells@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Automatons

Jason Sullivan wrote:

> Automations need to be fixed between sessions. Does any one have
> any quick rules as to how you would restore BODY to a damaged Automaton?
> Could you have an Automaton that heals? (An example being a
> living bio-mech) If so, how much would one need to pay for 'normal'
> healing at the human rate.
>
> When you combine an AI brain with an Automaton body, how do you
> calculate DEX and SPD? Do you buy them seperately? Just purchase DEX and
> SPD for the Automaton? Use the lower/higher of the two?
>

Both the AI and the Automaton have to buy them. It makes things easier when both
the AI and the Automaton have the same dex and speed, but this is not required. If
they are different then the lower one is when actions occur. I've got automatons,
vehicles and bases with controlling AI's in my campaign where the AI has a higher
dex then the equipment they are controlling. This allows the AI to do things that
are mental in nature when they are not using some physical power.

This reminds me of a question I keep forgetting to ask. In my campaign one of my
house rules is that computers can be bought with the 5 point doubles the number of
computers. This is done to simulate a network of computers. The big
server/mainframe/AI being the base cost and all the workstations being paid for by
the doubling rules. MS based machines are disads to the networkd do to their
inherent design flaws :). Does anyone consider this an unreasonable house rule.

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 98 16:23:40
From: qts <qts@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: metal armour

On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:03:03 -0700 (PDT), Anthony Jackson wrote:

>qts writes:
>> >However...the metal only protects to the degree that it actually provides
>> >a path to the ground (or wherever the electricity is going). As such, if
>> >you were wearing a chainmail vest and got hit by lightning, a significant
>> >portion of the electricity would be transmitted by the vest -- until the
>> >mail stopped, at which point the easiest path to the ground is probably
>> >through your leg...
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> >The net effect is that metal armor should probably provide full defense
>> >against electrical attacks (dealing with the ability of a shock to hit
>> >multiple hit locations is probably not worth the effort); _however_, the
>> >real disadvantage of metal armor against lightning is that metal armor will
>> >make electrical attacks somewhat more likely to _hit_ you (figure -1 to -3
>> >DCV).
>>
>> An interesting take. However, it still doesn't take into account
>> metal's near-transparency to electricity. Yes, I might give them 1 DEF
>> for the clothes underneath, but that helmet is in full contact with
>> your skin...
>
>Ok, it's probably more accurate to say that metal armor gives 1 DEF _and_ 50%
>damage reduction, rather than just providing DEF -- the primary way electricity
>kills is by scrambling the central nervous system (stopping the heart, etc) and
>chainmail will do a _fine_ job of protecting the torso from that effect.
>Electrical burns to the legs aren't likely to kill you.
>
>As for 'transparency', metal _isn't_ transparent to electricity. It conducts
>it, which is completely different. It is, in fact, almost completely opaque.

OK, bad phrasing on my part for the general case, but if you pump in
enough energy, it *does* become transparent to electricity (and light).

qts

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 98 13:03:52
From: qts <qts@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Expanded gestures and incantations

On Mon, 07 Sep 1998 05:02:58 -0500 (EST), Jason Sullivan wrote:

>On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, qts wrote:
>> >Cannot Move In Phase When Power Is Used (-1/4) for especially cumbersome
>> >spells where upon failure could result in a disasterous result.
>>
>> That's just Extra Time: Full Phase
> The character, if trying to make a half-move before using a power
>with this Limitation, or taking KB or KD in the same Phase before he gets
>to use his power, he should suffer substantial minuses to hit his target
>(at least -3), and at the GM's option, may even be injured with his own
>attack.

Nope: if he gets hit, the spell fails to go off. If he can't move for
the whole phase then he gets ET: Full Phase

>> >Cannot Use Targeting With Spell (-1/2) for speels that are so complex,
>> >their casting takes precidence over aiming.
>>
>> How is this actually a limitation? If it's an attack spell, you need to
>> target it; if it isn't you don't.
> The character cannot "call shots" against hit locations or
>otherwise try to hit one specific location or target.

- -0 Limitation.

>> >...and the ever popular Restrainable (-1/2) for spells that require
>> >complex but easily restrainable somantic components.
>> Oh no, that's plain Gestures.
>
> Actually, for the cost, Restrainable is a much more cost efficent Lim.
>Gestures indicates that you would need to make obvious gestures, the power
>will not work if grabbed, the power will not turn on if attacked during
>gesturing, -1/4 for turing on, or -1/2 for constant. Restrainable is not
>necessarily obvious, does noy work (normally) if grabbed or entangled, but
>may be used if attacked. Restrainable may also be used as part of the
>attack roll, unlike Gestures.

Restrainable isn't a standard limitation.
qts

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 98 08:14:42
From: qts <qts@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Expanded gestures and incantations

On Sun, 06 Sep 1998 10:54:55 -0500 (EST), Jason Sullivan wrote:

>On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, qts wrote:
><snip>
>
>> We have -0 if the effect can go off if the caster is restrained etc as
>> above.
>
>> We can add Extra Time to take account of lengthy gestures/incantations.
>
>> We can add RSR or Concentration to take account of difficult
>> gestures/incantations.
>
>> We can add Increased END to take account of energetic
>> gestures/incantations.
>
>> Gestures are already 'clearly visible' (ie no PER roll required), so
>> there shouldn't be any extra bonus here.
>> qts
>
>You might be able to add to this list:
>All Unused Charges Are Lost (-1/4) for Continous spells, to represent the
>energy invested in a spell is lost if the spell is interrupted.

Nice one.

>Cannot Move In Phase When Power Is Used (-1/4) for especially cumbersome
>spells where upon failure could result in a disasterous result.

That's just Extra Time: Full Phase

>Cannot Use Targeting With Spell (-1/2) for speels that are so complex,
>their casting takes precidence over aiming.

How is this actually a limitation? If it's an attack spell, you need to
target it; if it isn't you don't.

>...and the ever popular Restrainable (-1/2) for spells that require
>complex but easily restrainable somantic components.

Oh no, that's plain Gestures.

>Of course, you can model a number of negative spell casting techniques
>with Disadvantages.
>
> Accidental Change (when struck, distracted, grabbed, reatrained,
>or entangled) from a Magic Using individual to a Non-Magic Using
>individual to model a magican who can cast spells until his overall level
>of concentration and 'inner tranquility' has been broken.

Side Effects are a GM's best friend. But that's an interesting use of
Accidental Change.




qts

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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 02:57:28 -0500
From: Gypsy <klgeorge@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Old Email showing up again from list

Brian Wong wrote:
>
> Hello;
>
> I'm I the only one who's getting all the list email from
> October 16th resent to them?
>
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It gets worse. I've received over 400 messages, dates ranging from July
something to present.

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 98 18:46:33
From: qts <qts@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Expanded gestures and incantations

On Mon, 7 Sep 98 12:40:25 -0400, John P Weatherman wrote:

>Jason Sullivan ravanos@njcu.edu 9/7/98 12:40 PM
>
>>On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, qts wrote:
>>>
>>> Restrainable isn't a standard limitation.
>> What makes it 'non-standard'?
>
>Restrainable isn't in the core rules but was added in
>the system almanac (1 I think). Many people don't
>count those publications as cannon so it is legitimate
>to argue that Restrainable isn't standard. I get the
>impression most people do use it however and that
>gives rise to an interesting question.
>
>Restrainable just means that a grab or entangle can
>disable an ability. The clasic is wings that can't
>be extended and/or are entangled. This is rated as a
>-1/2 limitation.

Ah, I see.

> Now compare this to gestures,
>particularly as represented in this thread. Gestures
>disable an ability due to any successful hit (much
>easier than restrainables criteria) and are necessarily
>very obvious which hinderable doesn't have to be (say
>an internal weapon that has to be extended to work.
>A grab stops the extention, hence hiderable, but the
>extention doesn't have to be obvious to anyone in LoS).
>That should mean that gestures is a much more limiting
>hinderance, but it only provides 1/2 the benefit as a
>-1/4 Limitation.
>
>Is it possible that gestures should be upgraded to 1/2 and
>then allow it to cover the "non-standard" restrainable
>limitation as well? Or does restrainable need to be
>downgraded to 1/4 and used with Visible, an additional -1/4,
>to represent wings that are quite obvious when used, current
>gestures then becomming Visible & Restrainable by default?

I think I'd go along with this, but perhaps more appropriate would be
making Restrainable a Superheroic Limitation only, just as Gestures and
Incantations are Heroic Limitations.
qts

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:28:38 PST
From: Jesse Thomas <haerandir@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: something odder

>Hmm. Well, I know not everyone likes Aaron Allston's work on Ninja
Hero,
>but I believe he did just this - there was a sorceror who could turn
>normal people into super-powered martial artists, and if I remember
right
>he did it using Transform. So it would seem that the 'no point
increase'
>has been removed from the official rules and relegated to the arena of
>GM's discretion.

Ahh, yes. The Super-Boxers. I remember that guy. I think he may well
have been the inspiration for the Guiding Hand, from Daedalus' Feng Shui
RPG. I read the description and said, "Wow. That's kinda neat. I
might use him in a campaign once. Or even twice if the campaign went on
for several years." There's a villain in Fantasy Hero who does a
similar thing, turning villagers into demons. It's in one of the sample
adventures. Again, a fun one-shot menace.

Still, I wouldn't want to do it too often, as it would inevitably lead
to arguments with your players. "We're tired of getting beaten up by a
50-point villain!", "We're sick of fighting innocent bystanders who've
been turned into brainwashed villain-zombies!", "We want to do it, too!"

I guess I'm of the school that I prefer not to have my villains do
things I won't let my players do. It's one thing to have Galactus
running around creating heralds, 'cause everyone knows that Galactus is
a badass. But, like the Thanatic Rod from Mystic Masters, the Galactus
effect really should be a plot device, and not something the players can
dream of creating/using. Unless you're into that sort of thing, of
course. Personally, I get really sick of Marvel's penchant for "immense
cosmic threats" that wind up getting resolved, MacGyver-like, with a
rubber band, some tin foil, and a rousing speech from Captain America.
Don't even get me started on Phoenix...

Jesse Thomas

haerandir@hotmail.com

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:39:43 -0500
From: Ross Rannells <rossrannells@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Star Trek Campaigns (was Re: Howdy!)

Lockie wrote:

> ----------
> > From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
> > To:
> > Cc: Champions List <champ-l@sysabend.org>
> > Subject: Re: Star Trek Campaigns (was Re: Howdy!)
> > Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 2:30 AM
> >
> > On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, B.C. Holmes wrote:
> >
> > > I also ended up converting my FASA Star Trek campaign to Hero, so I
> had
> > > a bit of trouble with some of these skills:
> > > Starship Tactics (as a different skill than Small Unit Tactics)
> >
> > Yes.
> >
>
> alright, here's a constructive point- would you starship battle people
> allow the captain (or tactical officer, or AI) of a ship to take find
> weakness with capital ship weapons?
> what about danger sence-'during starship combat'? i have a super-admiral
> character with both of these, does this sound valid? or is it an issue
> batter dealt with by aplication of skils like tactics?

Yes. If the gunner/AI/computer have find weakness and the ship has also paid
for the ability/lab, then it can be done. If the gunner is using computer
assistance to fire the weapons then all three must have the skill. In short
any entity that is involved with targetting and firing the weapon must have
paid for the ability. This is also reflected in my campaign in the fac that
anyone who has find weakness must have paid hero points for the attack that
they are using the find weakness with, ie you can't have find weakness with a
gun unless you have paid hero points for the gun. In short you cant use weapon
familiarities with find weakness.

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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:10:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kim Foster <nexus@uky.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Re: Blade

At 03:06 PM 8/29/98 -0500, Donald Tsang wrote:
>><<Has anyone done a write up of the movie verions of Blade? >>
>>
>>If they have, I want to see them!!!
>
>Just wondering, but... why?
>
>His powers seem thoroughly uninteresting.
>High Dex and Spd, Medium Str, good Con and Pre (and Com, except for his
>stupid haircut). Martial arts. Weapons. Vehicle. Superleap. OIF armor
>(not very good activation, or not very good against silver stakes).
>KS:Vampires. A couple of followers, perhaps. Dependency on "serum"
>(dmg = transform). DF: BMF. Hunted: vampires on sight. Many Psych lims.
>
>Buy to a certain scale (275 seems about right). Chill, serves 6.
>
>
> Donald
>
>

ALso some slow regeneration as it was stated his wounds from being staked
would be healed by the next day. High level Acrobatics and Breakfalls
skills, Defense manuver. I'd put his strength at high human, bordering on
superhuman. He did chuck that doctor a pretty good way and grabbed a
speeding subway train wiithout getting his arm torn off. Actually I'd put
all the physical stats high. I'd say some enhanced senses or a perception
boost. Other skills demonstrated or implied would be stealth, concealment,
combat driving, wfs, Streetwise, interogation among others. The KS Vampires
could be fleshout if you wanted more detail. Lang:Russian and 1 pt with
Vampire Tongue, not literate. I got the impression his abilites improved
after drinking human blood but that might have been dramatic licence and
anger (IE:He was pushing alot.)


As to way I'd like to see them is sheer curiosity. I'd like to see how well
the character comes across in translation. Besides, if I can get the write
up someone did of Buffy the Vamprire slayer, think of the cross over
possbilities! :)



I know violence doesn't solve all problems...
But it sure feels good!
Felicia:DS3:Vampire Savior

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